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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 29 2011 20:31 GMT
#3281
On March 30 2011 05:30 Minigun wrote:
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.


<3 I've got no doubt that you'll be in the league in no time
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
March 29 2011 20:32 GMT
#3282
On March 30 2011 05:20 NightEnD wrote:
''NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.''

As i said im sick of how i get threated .. i can take visa like NO PROBLEM , u didnt even bother to ask me or tell me about the visa , u only told me about the visa after i asked if im invited .. thats just pathetic and desgusting , when i have apply for the NASL u could have told me about the visa and by now i would already have had apply for it and take it . Romania is part of the european nations and so i would have not even 1 problem in taking the visa . Very profesional tho very... and the answer is even more profesional ..


If this is true then it's very unprofessional and unfair. From the limited amount of information I have on Xeris, the way he acts and handles things are pretty unprofessional (that team league, inviting players into NASL)
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:33:49
March 29 2011 20:32 GMT
#3283
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.

Why does this bureaucracy matter?

We have deadlines. The contracts needed to be received before we could officially count any player in the league, and we needed time to do that. We needed to confirm every one of the 50 players before our website launched, to prepare content, and before the league starts, to ensure that it runs smoothly. Furthermore, because we need to run a broadcast schedule five days a week every week, we had quite a bit of concern over players who were unable to quickly follow these guidelines.

Now that that’s out of the way…

We had a grand total of 104 applications. We immediately eliminated 30 applicants who either: a) didn’t have a video with their application, or b) posted a video on youtube without actually applying. This left us with 74 players on our board. Next, we separated the 74 players by region: Asia, Europe, and North America. After separating the players by region, we went down the list and selected players who: a) were considered “top” players and b) were fan favorites, starting in North America (KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, and IdrA for example), followed by Europe (MorroW, White-Ra, and TLO for example), and Asia (July, MC, and Boxer for example). After this first round we had: 9 North Americans, 8 Europeans, and 6 Koreans.

Before the second round, we went backwards through the list, eliminating the lowest skilled/fame in a group of amazing players: (Cezanne, KenZy, Antimage for example). Then we went back through the regions to select the “second tier” list of admitted players, again based on results and popularity. Players in this list included (some examples: KawaiiRice, Axslav, Haypro, HasuObs, and Ace). This left us with 42 total invites, and 8 remaining spots for the third round of selection.
At this point, we had a two day debate about the remaining players, in which we went to the poll and the application videos to help make our selections. Players who made the final cut included MoMaN and Dde for example. This left us with the North American Star League’s 50 players.

How did we group the players?

The first thing we did is separate teammates – we put all teammates in different groups. The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. After this, we attempted to create an equal balance between races and regions. Two Koreans were placed in each group, and each group has a balance of 4-3-3 (races). We also used our selection process to help the grouping, separating those selected in the first round in different groups, etc.

Overall, we chose 3-4 players (Artosis, Grubby, MoMaN) who were designated as “fan favorites” and 3-4 players (ViBe, CrunCher, DarkforcE) who may be considered “underdogs.” The rest of the players were chosen based on their results and skill level.

Why we picked them

Stalife: Stalife took 2nd place in the EG Masters Cup, multiple ESL Go4SC2 victories (including 1st in the Monthly final), and over $3,500 in prizes won, Stalife has shown to be one of the most underrated players in NA.

ViBe: Nearly qualified for the TSL and had an impressive showing at MLG Dallas 2010, proving that he is one of those up and comers we want to see in this event.

CrunCher: He validated our pick by defeating IdrA in the TSL, but his qualification was impressive as well, taking down top players in an official setting.

Dde: Similar to ViBe, Dde is another player whose results in online cups consistently puts him in the top3 and leads us to believe that he has the potential to surprise many people in the North American Star League.

Grubby: One of the most legendary RTS players of all time – he’s shown some good games at the
Assembly LAN and the FXOpen Invitational. He is one person that we’re sure everyone would love to see succeed.

MoMaN: He’s played pretty well in online cups, and we were really as impressed with his application video, which was one of the most popular we received. He was an easy “fan favorite” choice for us.

Artosis: Artosis posted some good results in the beta stages when he was active, qualifying for the first GSL. Now that he will be active again, we believe he can surprise many people, and of course was one of our fan choices!

Why we didn’t pick them

DeMusliM: He was wearing a cast in his application video, standing outside of a hospital saying that he just had another procedure done, we can't really choose a player who hasn't played in months and have him work his way back into shape in the actual league.

Kas: Despite being late, he actually applied correctly. However, Ukraine does not have a VISA waiver program with the US, and we only wanted players who have demonstrated travel to the US before – having a “high risk” player is something we didn’t want (I.E. we don’t want a situation where visa problems would stop a player like Kas from showing up to the finals).

*Note: players such as White-Ra have demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can travel to the US without problem, and we officially verified that BRAT_OK has a B1 VISA that allows him to travel to the US.

NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

FruitDealer: Incomplete application forced us to remove him from consideration

Who didn’t apply

DIMAGA: Application video past the deadline, neither him or his manager contacted me, so they were never sent contracts.

Jinro: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

HuK: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

IM: Nobody from team IM applied

Prime: Only asked about applying after the application process was over

Final Remarks

Unfortunately, in a tournament with 50 players, it is impossible to create a list that will satisfy everyone. We tried our best to make the most objective list we could. Remember, we have 16 spots next season that will be up for grabs. We encourage everyone to sign up for the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier – especially those that we unfortunately couldn’t select to be in the league this season.

We hope that you all will enjoy the league and know that this process was lengthy and no decision was made hastily or without a great deal of thought.


Amazing explanation. Hopefully it's cleared up most concerns.

Shall expect only cheerfuls from this point on! *Wand*

rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 29 2011 20:32 GMT
#3284
this is a pretty impresive lineup, idk why people arecomplaining about the players. A few are questionable but 99% are solid players ad the other1% are`nt anything to scoff at
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 29 2011 20:33 GMT
#3285
I a very pleased with the final invites as I said yesterday morrow mc July boxer nada would be the only invites left that made sense anything else would have been a travesty. And although I don't agree with some of the other invites I am pleased enough with the final invites that I think this could turn out to be an interesting league I've got nerd chills for sure after seeing today's invites :d
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
GrackGyver
Profile Joined March 2011
61 Posts
March 29 2011 20:33 GMT
#3286
A welcome explanation overall even though I'm still not sold at all on excluding Demuslim. It's not like the matches are starting tomorrow.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 29 2011 20:34 GMT
#3287
On March 30 2011 05:28 Phaint wrote:
Oh well iNcontrol gets to be embarrassed publicly in his own tournament, sounds better than leaving him out to me.



it will be the only group that wont have a 4gate vs 4gate pvp, instant fan favorite?!
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 29 2011 20:34 GMT
#3288
...
Can a lot of you please stop whining about the decisions that the NASL staff made?
They are trying to set up a league with 50 of the best players in the world and you people actually dare to complain about who they do and don't pick?
It's their first time and they aren't as professional as GSL (yet).
People will allways complain about invites simple as that, if they would have picked other names people would have complained about those too.
Please lets just be happy they make a league like this and we can watch it for free
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
March 29 2011 20:34 GMT
#3289
On March 30 2011 05:04 integral wrote:
To all players (and all fans of these players), there's always next season, or the season after that. If you're a player and you truly deserve to be in the tournament you'll qualify eventually. Right?


So why not have everyone qualify?

But whatever, no one's posts can do anything about it now.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#3290
I would replace ViBe with Mondragon simply because he is a mainstay in foreigner tourneys, got 2nd in TSL2, always top form when big tournaments are on the line. He even hinted he would be an underdog, so he would fit into that category. In his video he said you need a worst player, and that could be him!

I picked ViBe for a few reasons:
1) I am unfamiliar with him
2) He plays the same race as Mondragon
3) There is no possible way he has been as successful

It is nothing personal, so NrG. please don't flame me. Even if ViBe is better than Mondragon, I'd rather see Mondragon, because it is the Artosis factor. Everyone wanted Artosis to get in. Do we expect him to win? No. We expect maybe a couple upsets, but do not expect him to win the whole thing.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
March 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#3291
I'm really disappointed that EG.LZgamer didn't make, while casters like Artosis and incontrol got in.

Not to mention the likes of vibe, moman, and haypro. Bleh.

Oh well I guess nothing's perfect.
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:36:23
March 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#3292
On March 30 2011 05:31 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


You should re-read Xeris' statement. He said the Cruncher pick was VALIDATED by Cruncher's win over Idra, not that he was picked because of it.

Jesus christ people need to stop hating on Cruncher. I can't say I'm a fan of his style, but he completely shat on Pain User and Sjow, two world class Terrans and has consistently posted great results recently. His style is really abusive, for example he took complete advantage of Sjow's late scouting weakness, but wins are wins and it seems to seem Cruncher is here to stay and not just a passing fad (like Masq and Silver).
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
March 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#3293
Dimaga should have been accepted just because it is fucking DIMAGA. Have you seen this guy play? He beat July and MVP in the same day. He is the top non-korean zerg and not having in the tourney is stupid.
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:39:05
March 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#3294
On March 30 2011 05:32 Brutus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:20 NightEnD wrote:
''NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.''

As i said im sick of how i get threated .. i can take visa like NO PROBLEM , u didnt even bother to ask me or tell me about the visa , u only told me about the visa after i asked if im invited .. thats just pathetic and desgusting , when i have apply for the NASL u could have told me about the visa and by now i would already have had apply for it and take it . Romania is part of the european nations and so i would have not even 1 problem in taking the visa . Very profesional tho very... and the answer is even more profesional ..


If this is true then it's very unprofessional and unfair. From the limited amount of information I have on Xeris, the way he acts and handles things are pretty unprofessional (that team league, inviting players into NASL)


I don't get what you're saying, how is this unprofessional?

Unfair maybe, but nothing NASL can do that much about. Obviously Brat_OK somehow managed to prove that he has the possibilty to get a valid visa, the others could've done that too, right?

edit: ok, forget me dumb. :D
didn't see it was a comment by nightend, thought you just quoted xeris part in the explanation
Kevmeister @ Dota2
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#3295
On March 30 2011 05:30 Minigun wrote:
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.


=(

I'm sure you'll get in next time. Keep rocking
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
March 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#3296
cruncher over mingun LOLOLOLOL
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
March 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#3297
On March 30 2011 05:28 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:26 TheHova wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:24 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:23 TheHova wrote:
No iNcontroL on why he was picked. Wow, unbelievable. I feel really sorry for some of the players that have missed out because of him.

He was picked as a "fan favority" iNcontrol has a HUGE fan base... people seem to ignore that.

People liek iNcontrol, Artosis, Grubby, etc... were picked because of their fan base, not necessarily their skills. They will draw in viewers, and as such money, and that means more chance of NASL to continue past 3 seasons.


Then why wasn't Destiny picked if it goes on popularity ? He draws more viewers on his stream than all of those players have when they have streamed.

because iNcontrol is better than Destiny...

Its not like it was 100% based on popularity. People make it seem like iNcontrol is complete shit of a player.

Destiny has not placed well in any tournaments really, he loses a lot of his show matches, and as such wouldn't be able to offer good games vs say white-ra, idra, etc...

iNcontrol is a top player, he places in tournaments. He plays in MLG, and did well last year. He puts a lot of time into playing.

He is entertaining, he has a fan base, and he is good at the game.


I'm not saying he is a shit player, obviously he is good and a lot better than i am. But the people overlooked for him? Sorry that's just not cricket. And for what, a popularity contest?

Minigun is a pretty popular guy, and has won things. A lot more than iNcontroL.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 29 2011 20:37 GMT
#3298
While I can completely understand the issues with inviting people, and respect the NASL for at least trying to explain their selection process, they really shouldn't have invited incontrol, simply because it rieks of favoritism.

I'm not passing any judgement on whether or not he should have been invited as a 'fan favorite', but this is pretty much the equivalent of the GSL giving tasteless/artosis an invite. It would have been so much more professional to exclude people that are playing an active role in the NASL organisation. If casters/organisers wanted to play in it they should have waited and qualified through the (eventual) open season, just like everyone else that hasn't been given the nod right now. Just because it would have been the right thing to do.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 29 2011 20:37 GMT
#3299
On March 30 2011 05:32 Brutus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:20 NightEnD wrote:
''NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.''

As i said im sick of how i get threated .. i can take visa like NO PROBLEM , u didnt even bother to ask me or tell me about the visa , u only told me about the visa after i asked if im invited .. thats just pathetic and desgusting , when i have apply for the NASL u could have told me about the visa and by now i would already have had apply for it and take it . Romania is part of the european nations and so i would have not even 1 problem in taking the visa . Very profesional tho very... and the answer is even more profesional ..


If this is true then it's very unprofessional and unfair. From the limited amount of information I have on Xeris, the way he acts and handles things are pretty unprofessional (that team league, inviting players into NASL)


I already told you NightEnD, that the reason we didn't select you is because you didn't already have one, and there are concerns about countries that don't have a visa waiver program. Just because Romania is in the EU does not mean they have a visa waiver program. Romania doesn't; they might soon, but as of right now they don't.

I talked to you specifically about this and explained why. You were on the backup list of players, but we didn't end up needing any backups.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
March 29 2011 20:37 GMT
#3300
On March 30 2011 05:36 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:32 Brutus wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:20 NightEnD wrote:
''NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.''

As i said im sick of how i get threated .. i can take visa like NO PROBLEM , u didnt even bother to ask me or tell me about the visa , u only told me about the visa after i asked if im invited .. thats just pathetic and desgusting , when i have apply for the NASL u could have told me about the visa and by now i would already have had apply for it and take it . Romania is part of the european nations and so i would have not even 1 problem in taking the visa . Very profesional tho very... and the answer is even more profesional ..


If this is true then it's very unprofessional and unfair. From the limited amount of information I have on Xeris, the way he acts and handles things are pretty unprofessional (that team league, inviting players into NASL)


I don't get what you're saying, how is this unprofessional?

Unfair maybe, but nothing NASL can do that much about. Obviously Brat_OK somehow managed to prove that he has the possibilty to get a valid visa, the others could've done that too, right?


bratok already has a visa
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