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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:22:54
March 29 2011 20:22 GMT
#3241
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


No he wasn't, read again.

They said he validated the decision by beating IdrA.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:22 GMT
#3242
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...

You didn't read what he said very well...

Cruncher was picked BEFORE the TSL.

Its just the TSL proved that Cruncher was a good pick.
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chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 29 2011 20:22 GMT
#3243
I would kind of like to see why thorzain didn't get picked also. Seems like he wasn't even considered.

that guy really impressed me against fruitdealer.
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
March 29 2011 20:23 GMT
#3244
No iNcontroL on why he was picked. Wow, unbelievable. I feel really sorry for some of the players that have missed out because of him.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:29:21
March 29 2011 20:23 GMT
#3245
nvm wrong info.

In any case, really appreciate NASL's transparency although not everyone will be able to agree with the decisions.

All the best with the tournament
DND_Enkil
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:38:06
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3246
Hmm... Cant really see Incontrol deserving a spot over Demuslim to be honest.

Demuslim and maybe maybe Minigun is who i would have liked to see in there aswell. But the one standing out the most is probably Demuslim to me at least. Nightend performed really well in TSL, but not seen much of him earlier, same with Thorzain. Strong new players but i can understand skipping them for someone, who at least i feel, is more established.

Anyways, 2 players out of 50 i disagree with, not horribly by any means =)

And the others invited are looking fierce!

*edit* Read your explanation, cleared up everything for me! I would just appreciate a clarification that InControl was accepted du to bein a fan favorite, but i guess loooking at his results that is kinda a given =)
"If you write about a sewing needle there is always some one-eyed bastard that gets offended" - Fritiof The Pirate Nilsson
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3247
On March 30 2011 05:23 TheHova wrote:
No iNcontroL on why he was picked. Wow, unbelievable. I feel really sorry for some of the players that have missed out because of him.

He was picked as a "fan favority" iNcontrol has a HUGE fan base... people seem to ignore that.

People liek iNcontrol, Artosis, Grubby, etc... were picked because of their fan base, not necessarily their skills. They will draw in viewers, and as such money, and that means more chance of NASL to continue past 3 seasons.
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pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3248
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.

Why does this bureaucracy matter?

We have deadlines. The contracts needed to be received before we could officially count any player in the league, and we needed time to do that. We needed to confirm every one of the 50 players before our website launched, to prepare content, and before the league starts, to ensure that it runs smoothly. Furthermore, because we need to run a broadcast schedule five days a week every week, we had quite a bit of concern over players who were unable to quickly follow these guidelines.

Now that that’s out of the way…

We had a grand total of 104 applications. We immediately eliminated 30 applicants who either: a) didn’t have a video with their application, or b) posted a video on youtube without actually applying. This left us with 74 players on our board. Next, we separated the 74 players by region: Asia, Europe, and North America. After separating the players by region, we went down the list and selected players who: a) were considered “top” players and b) were fan favorites, starting in North America (KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, and IdrA for example), followed by Europe (MorroW, White-Ra, and TLO for example), and Asia (July, MC, and Boxer for example). After this first round we had: 9 North Americans, 8 Europeans, and 6 Koreans.

Before the second round, we went backwards through the list, eliminating the lowest skilled/fame in a group of amazing players: (Cezanne, KenZy, Antimage for example). Then we went back through the regions to select the “second tier” list of admitted players, again based on results and popularity. Players in this list included (some examples: KawaiiRice, Axslav, Haypro, HasuObs, and Ace). This left us with 42 total invites, and 8 remaining spots for the third round of selection.
At this point, we had a two day debate about the remaining players, in which we went to the poll and the application videos to help make our selections. Players who made the final cut included MoMaN and Dde for example. This left us with the North American Star League’s 50 players.

How did we group the players?

The first thing we did is separate teammates – we put all teammates in different groups. The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. After this, we attempted to create an equal balance between races and regions. Two Koreans were placed in each group, and each group has a balance of 4-3-3 (races). We also used our selection process to help the grouping, separating those selected in the first round in different groups, etc.

Overall, we chose 3-4 players (Artosis, Grubby, MoMaN) who were designated as “fan favorites” and 3-4 players (ViBe, CrunCher, DarkforcE) who may be considered “underdogs.” The rest of the players were chosen based on their results and skill level.

Why we picked them

Stalife: Stalife took 2nd place in the EG Masters Cup, multiple ESL Go4SC2 victories (including 1st in the Monthly final), and over $3,500 in prizes won, Stalife has shown to be one of the most underrated players in NA.

ViBe: Nearly qualified for the TSL and had an impressive showing at MLG Dallas 2010, proving that he is one of those up and comers we want to see in this event.

CrunCher: He validated our pick by defeating IdrA in the TSL, but his qualification was impressive as well, taking down top players in an official setting.

Dde: Similar to ViBe, Dde is another player whose results in online cups consistently puts him in the top3 and leads us to believe that he has the potential to surprise many people in the North American Star League.

Grubby: One of the most legendary RTS players of all time – he’s shown some good games at the
Assembly LAN and the FXOpen Invitational. He is one person that we’re sure everyone would love to see succeed.

MoMaN: He’s played pretty well in online cups, and we were really as impressed with his application video, which was one of the most popular we received. He was an easy “fan favorite” choice for us.

Artosis: Artosis posted some good results in the beta stages when he was active, qualifying for the first GSL. Now that he will be active again, we believe he can surprise many people, and of course was one of our fan choices!

Why we didn’t pick them

DeMusliM: He was wearing a cast in his application video, standing outside of a hospital saying that he just had another procedure done, we can't really choose a player who hasn't played in months and have him work his way back into shape in the actual league.

Kas: Despite being late, he actually applied correctly. However, Ukraine does not have a VISA waiver program with the US, and we only wanted players who have demonstrated travel to the US before – having a “high risk” player is something we didn’t want (I.E. we don’t want a situation where visa problems would stop a player like Kas from showing up to the finals).

*Note: players such as White-Ra have demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can travel to the US without problem, and we officially verified that BRAT_OK has a B1 VISA that allows him to travel to the US.

NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

FruitDealer: Incomplete application forced us to remove him from consideration

Who didn’t apply

DIMAGA: Application video past the deadline, neither him or his manager contacted me, so they were never sent contracts.

Jinro: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

HuK: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

IM: Nobody from team IM applied

Prime: Only asked about applying after the application process was over

Final Remarks

Unfortunately, in a tournament with 50 players, it is impossible to create a list that will satisfy everyone. We tried our best to make the most objective list we could. Remember, we have 16 spots next season that will be up for grabs. We encourage everyone to sign up for the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier – especially those that we unfortunately couldn’t select to be in the league this season.

We hope that you all will enjoy the league and know that this process was lengthy and no decision was made hastily or without a great deal of thought.


Pretty Solid Explanation , but you guys better be Ready for a Shitstorm of hate if Players like Vibe , Dde , Moman do not put up a strong Showing. The TL community is pretty unforgiving on quality over Drama.

Other than that , very helpful from your part.Much Appreciated.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3249
On March 30 2011 05:22 chonkyfire wrote:
I would kind of like to see why thorzain didn't get picked also. Seems like he wasn't even considered.

that guy really impressed me against fruitdealer.


His match against FruitDealer was after the application process, that's the only reason I guess, pretty sure he would've been considered if they decided which players were in 2 weeks later.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3250
i can only see divisions 1-5 is it on my side of the internet or is it the site/OP
Bubulefou
Profile Joined February 2011
France29 Posts
March 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#3251
You did very well Xeris, thank you very much for the explanation. As you said every one of us had a list in mind and can't be fully satisfied but in my opinion it is quite good. I appreciate the professionalism of the deadlines.
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
March 29 2011 20:25 GMT
#3252
On March 30 2011 05:22 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...

You didn't read what he said very well...

Cruncher was picked BEFORE the TSL.

Its just the TSL proved that Cruncher was a good pick.

fair enough, I failed to read it right, but Thorzain also won a TLOPEN, which is clearly stated as what made them pick Cruncher
Marauder Die Die
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 29 2011 20:25 GMT
#3253
so let me get this straight, you didnt even approach Prime as a team to be in the "These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool. "

that just doesnt make sense that you wouldnt contact Prime about joining NASL.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3254
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


wat.

He was chosen before those games were played. -.-
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:27:54
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3255
Although there are players who were left out that I was hoping would get in I understand not EVERYONE could get in. Of course there are also those players who you scratch your head at but maybe they can surprise people, or they will just prove to have been a bad decision in hindsight.

+ Show Spoiler +
It would be nice if NASL says why certain player were picked + Show Spoiler +
The obvious ones people are questioning
and why certain players were left out. + Show Spoiler +
i.e. Mondragon, Demuslim, ThorZaIN


The most obvious reasons that stick out in my head are
1. They were going to take a specific amount of players from each region (like Insanious point out)
2. They wanted to balance out the races
Nevermind Xeris came out and answered all this before I posted and refreshed the thread
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
firalol
Profile Joined March 2010
United States51 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3256
what about LZ?
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:27:41
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3257
On March 30 2011 05:24 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:23 TheHova wrote:
No iNcontroL on why he was picked. Wow, unbelievable. I feel really sorry for some of the players that have missed out because of him.

He was picked as a "fan favority" iNcontrol has a HUGE fan base... people seem to ignore that.

People liek iNcontrol, Artosis, Grubby, etc... were picked because of their fan base, not necessarily their skills. They will draw in viewers, and as such money, and that means more chance of NASL to continue past 3 seasons.


Then why wasn't Destiny picked if it goes on popularity ? He draws more viewers on his stream than all of those players have when they have streamed.

Oh and i'd like to say thanks for at least some explanation from Xeris. I just find some decisions baffling.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3258
On March 30 2011 05:25 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:22 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...

You didn't read what he said very well...

Cruncher was picked BEFORE the TSL.

Its just the TSL proved that Cruncher was a good pick.

fair enough, I failed to read it right, but Thorzain also won a TLOPEN, which is clearly stated as what made them pick Cruncher

Cruncher also dominated two FXOpens, and some other tournament right before the Application process ended.

Cruncher seems to have been the last player picked, as they were fighting between Cruncher and Minigun.
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ciaNo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy123 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3259
This tournament turned out to be a popularity contest
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3260
Thanks Xeris, everything sound quite reasonable to me.

The only exception imho is Demuslim. While it's understandable to have doubt in his shape and his wealth, judging this on his application video rather than talk to him surprises me. Especially because he is one of the very best players in Europe that i would want in my league plus he is the only player from UK which makes him stand out even more.

From a spectator point of view i really like the approach of balancing groups by region and race and having rivals play each other and you did a good job at creating those groups. From a fairness point of view other solutions might be better, i don't know really know though and wonder what the players themselves think about that.

Overall i can only imagine how hard it is to pick the 50 best players and you can never please everyone, i really appreciate your efforts of staying in touch with the community during the whole process.

I fully expect the deserving players that didn't make it this time to be in the 2nd season of NASL, just think of the first season of GSL and how much things have changes until now.
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