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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
March 29 2011 20:02 GMT
#3201
Prediction of top 2 of each group:
Div 1 - Rainbow, Morrow
Div 2 - Whitera, July
Div 3 - Naniwa, Squirtle
Div 4 - MC, Ace
Div 5 - Sen, Zenio

Got to say, Div 2 and 5 is probably the hardest to predict. While Div 4 is quite obvious.
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 29 2011 20:03 GMT
#3202
On March 30 2011 04:57 Snoyarc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 04:49 chonkyfire wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:49 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:37 chonkyfire wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:33 Snoyarc wrote:
So players that should be included, Minigun, Demuslim, Lzgamer, MarkyO

Players who shouldn't be in the NASL. Fenix, Vibe, Grubby, Incontrol




Hm, what is your justification for saying lzgamer over fenix? Being a nice guy isn't a good reason.


ever heard the phrase what have you done for me lately?

Fenix

All: 119-89 (57.21%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W L L W W L W L | View Games
vT: 61-25 (70.93%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W L L W L W L W L | View Games
vZ: 29-23 (55.77%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L L W W | View Games
vP: 29-41 (41.43%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L W L L | View Games



okay post lzgamers record now


All: 29-42 (40.85%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W L L W L L L L | View Games
vT: 8-16 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W L W L L L L L L | View Games
vZ: 12-14 (46.15%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W L L L L L L L | View Games
vP: 9-12 (42.86%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W L W L W W L L | View Games




Uhm. Okay. so the guy with a 40% winning rate should be in over the guy who has quadruple his wins with a 57% win rate? Not quite understanding your logic here.
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 29 2011 20:04 GMT
#3203
I think that NASL has probably become almost too transparent--they've encouraged the trolls. Now everyone thinks that they can bicker and whine about every little thing and that their uninformed opinion actually holds sway.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:05:35
March 29 2011 20:04 GMT
#3204
To all players (and all fans of these players), there's always next season, or the season after that. If you're a player and you truly deserve to be in the tournament you'll qualify eventually. Right?
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
March 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#3205
On March 30 2011 05:01 mowglie wrote:
To those complaining why a certain player did not get picked, its quiet simply really, there is not enough slots for EVERYBODY.


There will never be enough slots , it"s called doing the best with what you have been given. The NASL in it"s very first season failed in it leaving top players out for God knows what Reason.( you can see even those players themselves have no idea ala Nightend)
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
March 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#3206
Good to see MorroW get in there! I am starting to like him a ton (even though he beat my Gorilla Terran). July, NaDa, BoxeR,and MC...wow that was definitely impressive. I am glad they got in as well. I know BoxeR has big plans to make SlayerS an international name and hopefully this will help him achieve his goal! Overall, I am really really excited for the NASL. Finally, a star league on NA time that has some really awesome names! I have a feeling the finals will be a bigger party at my house than the superbowl was.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:06:17
March 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#3207
On March 30 2011 04:57 Snoyarc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 04:49 chonkyfire wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:49 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:37 chonkyfire wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:33 Snoyarc wrote:
So players that should be included, Minigun, Demuslim, Lzgamer, MarkyO

Players who shouldn't be in the NASL. Fenix, Vibe, Grubby, Incontrol




Hm, what is your justification for saying lzgamer over fenix? Being a nice guy isn't a good reason.


ever heard the phrase what have you done for me lately?

Fenix

All: 119-89 (57.21%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W L L W W L W L | View Games
vT: 61-25 (70.93%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W L L W L W L W L | View Games
vZ: 29-23 (55.77%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L L W W | View Games
vP: 29-41 (41.43%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L W L L | View Games



okay post lzgamers record now


All: 29-42 (40.85%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W L L W L L L L | View Games
vT: 8-16 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W L W L L L L L L | View Games
vZ: 12-14 (46.15%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W L L L L L L L | View Games
vP: 9-12 (42.86%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W L W L W W L L | View Games


I'm confused here. Their records look very similar when looking at the last 10 per race, just with different races. The overall percentages appear to be in Fenix's favor, though. I bolded the same way in for LzGamer as you did for Fenix solely for emphasis. Fenix has won 40% of his last 10 games, LzGamer has won 30%. I'm just struggling to find out how these records show that Lz should have Fenix's spot, specifically.

We should also keep in mind we're not looking at who these games are played against.
Who dat ninja?
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
March 29 2011 20:06 GMT
#3208
On March 30 2011 05:04 integral wrote:
To all players (and all fans of these players), there's always next season, or the season after that. If you're a player and you truly deserve to be in the tournament you'll qualify eventually. Right?

While that's true just look at GSL and how some people who should be in Code A have only just made it, it's possible that Dimaga could get DeMuslim in the first round of a qualifier and right away one of them isn't making it.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:06 GMT
#3209
On March 30 2011 05:02 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 04:59 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:53 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:43 mengsk83 wrote:
If the reason for not chosing Demuslim ist that there are already 5 EG members invited then that is pretty retarded, seeing as players like Incontrol and Machine are in who are not even close to the level and results of Demuslim.


whats funny is they(NASL) Claimed to have removed the 5 per team rule, Yet They(NASL) didn't invite more than 5 players per team.

There are only 3 teams in NA/EU with more than 5 players, Liquid has 2 players in korea that didn't want to participate, and they only invited 11 Koreans.

This means only EG and ROOT lost out in NA/EU teams. (ONE and VT have more than 5 players, but not 5 players worthy of getting into NASL)

Out of korean teams, only oGs and ST lost out.

So really, there were only 4 teams and personally...

EG could of had Demuslim
ROOT could of had Minigun
oGs / ST could of had anyone...

but really, these like 4 players missing out adds a little more diversity to the player pool... it sucks, but its not like it really left any gosu gosu players out.


Actually , there are no UK players in the list afaik so adding DeMuslim would have increased the diversity.

Its the NASL...

and there are:

16 europeans
11 koreans
20 NA
2 LA

In the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE there are 20 NA players and 30 Other.

The EU almost out number the NA players, there is enough diveristy in the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE
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Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
March 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#3210
I'm extremely disappointed that iNControl is in the NASL as a player. I'm hoping that both Demu and LZGamer performed weaker than iNControl in some sort of EG test, however there are many other players that didn't get a spot that are much better and higher achieving players.

But what bothers me the most is that he's playing and casting. I mean, I fucking love iNControl, I'm an avid fan of SotG just because of him, and I'm siked to hear him cast. I'm just so damn disappointed that he's going to jeopardize his bias and his credit by also playing.
"To be honest, to play protoss is ridiculously simple" -NesTea
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
March 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#3211
I have got this weird feeling that those responsible for the players heard everyone shout "omg where are the koreans" and then just invited more than they originally wanted to. They just should have been very clear about what they will and will not do. At first its not more than 5 people of one team. Then they are like "naah that was stupid we won't do that" then they say "definitly not more than 5 koreans" . A lot of people don't like that and they are like.. uhm okay i guess we won't invite a demuslim since, well lets face it dde is the far more accomplished terran anyways , right?( ... )" to give the people what they seem to want, more koreans. I would have been fine if they said , "its the North American starleague, with only people from that server. (no lag growing esports in their own region etc.) Or if they had said , well the foreign community has always been seen as such , much less NA, EU, KR so we will invite only foreigners since the koreans have the gsl. What they have done, though is kind of focus on NA players, then throw in really strong europeans then some people got in on popularity and at the end they threw in a lot if big name koreans.

I think the final player list in general is fine, pretty much every game will be entertaining to watch but i just don't like the process behind it very much. That said it is their first season and the start to pretty much everything new will be a bit bumpy

Oh what i would really like them to do by the way is do a little introduction on their website of every player in the league in which they also explain to us why these players deserve to be in the league . That way there will be less guesswork involved
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
March 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#3212
With the full list out I have to say while not perfect it is pretty darn close. I like the player selection and think the last day addins were totally trolling the haters, but in a awesomely funny way
Nihn'kas Neehn
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#3213
I don't get all the stalife/dde hate here?

They're both solid players who have produced good results.

Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#3214
On March 30 2011 05:06 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:02 dtz wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:59 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:53 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:43 mengsk83 wrote:
If the reason for not chosing Demuslim ist that there are already 5 EG members invited then that is pretty retarded, seeing as players like Incontrol and Machine are in who are not even close to the level and results of Demuslim.


whats funny is they(NASL) Claimed to have removed the 5 per team rule, Yet They(NASL) didn't invite more than 5 players per team.

There are only 3 teams in NA/EU with more than 5 players, Liquid has 2 players in korea that didn't want to participate, and they only invited 11 Koreans.

This means only EG and ROOT lost out in NA/EU teams. (ONE and VT have more than 5 players, but not 5 players worthy of getting into NASL)

Out of korean teams, only oGs and ST lost out.

So really, there were only 4 teams and personally...

EG could of had Demuslim
ROOT could of had Minigun
oGs / ST could of had anyone...

but really, these like 4 players missing out adds a little more diversity to the player pool... it sucks, but its not like it really left any gosu gosu players out.


Actually , there are no UK players in the list afaik so adding DeMuslim would have increased the diversity.

Its the NASL...

and there are:

16 europeans
11 koreans
20 NA
2 LA

In the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE there are 20 NA players and 30 Other.

The EU almost out number the NA players, there is enough diveristy in the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE


You mean 16 Eu, 9 Kr, 20 NA, 2 LA, 1 TW, 1 Sea
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#3215
On March 30 2011 04:59 dtz wrote:
Bashing on fenix's recent poor records is just weird because he lost all those in IEM World Championships to the best players in the world and Sen who we know is a beast.

I'd say even having the chance to lose to those amazing players says much more about your credibility than only winning insignificant online matches


I don't think that's the problem. Fenix didn't follow the "metagame". His harassment style doesn't work anymore because Zerg and Protoss learn how to deflect it during the early game. And when Fenix enters the mid-game without a huge advantage, he loses terribly because his macro and army management sucks.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#3216
On March 30 2011 05:06 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:02 dtz wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:59 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:53 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:43 mengsk83 wrote:
If the reason for not chosing Demuslim ist that there are already 5 EG members invited then that is pretty retarded, seeing as players like Incontrol and Machine are in who are not even close to the level and results of Demuslim.


whats funny is they(NASL) Claimed to have removed the 5 per team rule, Yet They(NASL) didn't invite more than 5 players per team.

There are only 3 teams in NA/EU with more than 5 players, Liquid has 2 players in korea that didn't want to participate, and they only invited 11 Koreans.

This means only EG and ROOT lost out in NA/EU teams. (ONE and VT have more than 5 players, but not 5 players worthy of getting into NASL)

Out of korean teams, only oGs and ST lost out.

So really, there were only 4 teams and personally...

EG could of had Demuslim
ROOT could of had Minigun
oGs / ST could of had anyone...

but really, these like 4 players missing out adds a little more diversity to the player pool... it sucks, but its not like it really left any gosu gosu players out.


Actually , there are no UK players in the list afaik so adding DeMuslim would have increased the diversity.

Its the NASL...

and there are:

16 europeans
11 koreans
20 NA
2 LA

In the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE there are 20 NA players and 30 Other.

The EU almost out number the NA players, there is enough diveristy in the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE


Eh i was replying to your point that not having DeMuslim adds diversity to the player pool. I was just pointing out that i think it is wrong.

I did not say anything about there is or isnt enough diversity in the NASL or if there should be more europeans or americans.
GrackGyver
Profile Joined March 2011
61 Posts
March 29 2011 20:09 GMT
#3217
On March 30 2011 05:04 zarepath wrote:
I think that NASL has probably become almost too transparent--they've encouraged the trolls. Now everyone thinks that they can bicker and whine about every little thing and that their uninformed opinion actually holds sway.


Please inform us then on why vibe stalife or dde deserve a spot over Demuslim? Or even Nightend?

There are already "underdogs" amongst very capable high level players, so there's no reason not to include the best and most famous players. Other than trolling the fans -_-
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:10:35
March 29 2011 20:09 GMT
#3218
On March 30 2011 04:59 NightEnD wrote:
Hey NASL im invited to NASL ? NASL answers no ur not becouse we didnt know if u can take visa .
I can only say that the answer is rly good and after i saw grubby is invited as P i checked here ( http://www.dragon-league.com/en/matches/ranking ) and i can totaly agree with the decision and in general the invites are superb GG very pro . ps im getting sick of how i always get treated


I feel for you man, both Praetoriani guys deserved to be in this league. You're 10 times the player some of these accepted protoss players are, I think TSL proved it.

Not sure what else can be said. Hope you get in next round.
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
March 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#3219
On March 30 2011 05:06 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:02 dtz wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:59 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:53 Snoyarc wrote:
On March 30 2011 04:43 mengsk83 wrote:
If the reason for not chosing Demuslim ist that there are already 5 EG members invited then that is pretty retarded, seeing as players like Incontrol and Machine are in who are not even close to the level and results of Demuslim.


whats funny is they(NASL) Claimed to have removed the 5 per team rule, Yet They(NASL) didn't invite more than 5 players per team.

There are only 3 teams in NA/EU with more than 5 players, Liquid has 2 players in korea that didn't want to participate, and they only invited 11 Koreans.

This means only EG and ROOT lost out in NA/EU teams. (ONE and VT have more than 5 players, but not 5 players worthy of getting into NASL)

Out of korean teams, only oGs and ST lost out.

So really, there were only 4 teams and personally...

EG could of had Demuslim
ROOT could of had Minigun
oGs / ST could of had anyone...

but really, these like 4 players missing out adds a little more diversity to the player pool... it sucks, but its not like it really left any gosu gosu players out.


Actually , there are no UK players in the list afaik so adding DeMuslim would have increased the diversity.

Its the NASL...

and there are:

16 europeans
11 koreans
20 NA
2 LA

In the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE there are 20 NA players and 30 Other.

The EU almost out number the NA players, there is enough diveristy in the NORTH AMERICAN STAR LEAGUE

Ironically, significantly more diversity than the Global Starleague!
Who dat ninja?
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
March 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#3220
didn't xeris promise us the explanation for the invites on tuesday? where are them?

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