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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
pureability
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3261
so can someone explain why LZ wasnt picked for NASL?
CoMMoDuS
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany507 Posts
March 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#3262
too bad mondragon is not in, i was really looking forward to more of his play after his TSL games.
There is no unemployment amongst overlords-Artosis
Ajax77
Profile Joined April 2010
United States75 Posts
March 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#3263
On March 30 2011 05:23 dtz wrote:
http://www.visabureau.com/america/news/14-11-2008/us-signs-visa-waiver-program-declaration-with-romania.aspx

Romania has visa waiver program with the USA so the concern about how nightend might not be able to get visa to US is a bit weird.

In any case, really appreciate NASL's transparency although not everyone will be able to agree with the decisions.

All the best with the tournament


No, they don't. They are on track to be a part of the waiver program, but currently are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#3264
Was hoping for an incontrol explanation at least. Gotta at least maintain the illusion of transparency.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#3265
On March 30 2011 05:24 gogatorsfoster wrote:
i can only see divisions 1-5 is it on my side of the internet or is it the site/OP


That's because there are only 5 divisions. :o
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
March 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#3266
Excellent post by xeris. I also have to say, I REALLY like the last round of revealed players. The NASL has a great mix of proven players, champions, fan-favorites, and storylines. Even though some people still won't be happy, you've got to admit this is giving EVERYONE in the SC2 community something they want to watch, and gives some really nice exposure to a wide range of players. People who have never heard of Vibe and dde get a chance to see them now, and those that have never tuned in to the GSL get to watch MC and July.

Really looking forward to the league. Awesome job so far guys!
aka ilovesharkpeople
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
March 29 2011 20:27 GMT
#3267
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.

Why does this bureaucracy matter?

We have deadlines. The contracts needed to be received before we could officially count any player in the league, and we needed time to do that. We needed to confirm every one of the 50 players before our website launched, to prepare content, and before the league starts, to ensure that it runs smoothly. Furthermore, because we need to run a broadcast schedule five days a week every week, we had quite a bit of concern over players who were unable to quickly follow these guidelines.

Now that that’s out of the way…

We had a grand total of 104 applications. We immediately eliminated 30 applicants who either: a) didn’t have a video with their application, or b) posted a video on youtube without actually applying. This left us with 74 players on our board. Next, we separated the 74 players by region: Asia, Europe, and North America. After separating the players by region, we went down the list and selected players who: a) were considered “top” players and b) were fan favorites, starting in North America (KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, and IdrA for example), followed by Europe (MorroW, White-Ra, and TLO for example), and Asia (July, MC, and Boxer for example). After this first round we had: 9 North Americans, 8 Europeans, and 6 Koreans.

Before the second round, we went backwards through the list, eliminating the lowest skilled/fame in a group of amazing players: (Cezanne, KenZy, Antimage for example). Then we went back through the regions to select the “second tier” list of admitted players, again based on results and popularity. Players in this list included (some examples: KawaiiRice, Axslav, Haypro, HasuObs, and Ace). This left us with 42 total invites, and 8 remaining spots for the third round of selection.
At this point, we had a two day debate about the remaining players, in which we went to the poll and the application videos to help make our selections. Players who made the final cut included MoMaN and Dde for example. This left us with the North American Star League’s 50 players.

How did we group the players?

The first thing we did is separate teammates – we put all teammates in different groups. The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. After this, we attempted to create an equal balance between races and regions. Two Koreans were placed in each group, and each group has a balance of 4-3-3 (races). We also used our selection process to help the grouping, separating those selected in the first round in different groups, etc.

Overall, we chose 3-4 players (Artosis, Grubby, MoMaN) who were designated as “fan favorites” and 3-4 players (ViBe, CrunCher, DarkforcE) who may be considered “underdogs.” The rest of the players were chosen based on their results and skill level.

Why we picked them

Stalife: Stalife took 2nd place in the EG Masters Cup, multiple ESL Go4SC2 victories (including 1st in the Monthly final), and over $3,500 in prizes won, Stalife has shown to be one of the most underrated players in NA.

ViBe: Nearly qualified for the TSL and had an impressive showing at MLG Dallas 2010, proving that he is one of those up and comers we want to see in this event.

CrunCher: He validated our pick by defeating IdrA in the TSL, but his qualification was impressive as well, taking down top players in an official setting.

Dde: Similar to ViBe, Dde is another player whose results in online cups consistently puts him in the top3 and leads us to believe that he has the potential to surprise many people in the North American Star League.

Grubby: One of the most legendary RTS players of all time – he’s shown some good games at the
Assembly LAN and the FXOpen Invitational. He is one person that we’re sure everyone would love to see succeed.

MoMaN: He’s played pretty well in online cups, and we were really as impressed with his application video, which was one of the most popular we received. He was an easy “fan favorite” choice for us.

Artosis: Artosis posted some good results in the beta stages when he was active, qualifying for the first GSL. Now that he will be active again, we believe he can surprise many people, and of course was one of our fan choices!

Why we didn’t pick them

DeMusliM: He was wearing a cast in his application video, standing outside of a hospital saying that he just had another procedure done, we can't really choose a player who hasn't played in months and have him work his way back into shape in the actual league.

Kas: Despite being late, he actually applied correctly. However, Ukraine does not have a VISA waiver program with the US, and we only wanted players who have demonstrated travel to the US before – having a “high risk” player is something we didn’t want (I.E. we don’t want a situation where visa problems would stop a player like Kas from showing up to the finals).

*Note: players such as White-Ra have demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can travel to the US without problem, and we officially verified that BRAT_OK has a B1 VISA that allows him to travel to the US.

NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

FruitDealer: Incomplete application forced us to remove him from consideration

Who didn’t apply

DIMAGA: Application video past the deadline, neither him or his manager contacted me, so they were never sent contracts.

Jinro: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

HuK: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

IM: Nobody from team IM applied

Prime: Only asked about applying after the application process was over

Final Remarks

Unfortunately, in a tournament with 50 players, it is impossible to create a list that will satisfy everyone. We tried our best to make the most objective list we could. Remember, we have 16 spots next season that will be up for grabs. We encourage everyone to sign up for the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier – especially those that we unfortunately couldn’t select to be in the league this season.

We hope that you all will enjoy the league and know that this process was lengthy and no decision was made hastily or without a great deal of thought.



Overall, I like how the player list turned out. I was an early detractor, but you guys changed my mind. Looking forward to the tournament.
Don't mind me
Phaint
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada211 Posts
March 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#3268
Oh well iNcontrol gets to be embarrassed publicly in his own tournament, sounds better than leaving him out to me.
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#3269
On March 30 2011 05:26 pureability wrote:
so can someone explain why LZ wasnt picked for NASL?



Who should he be in over? I could see justification for a couple players, but you could also make the argument there were other snubs that should be in over said players and lz
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#3270
On March 30 2011 05:26 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:24 Insanious wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:23 TheHova wrote:
No iNcontroL on why he was picked. Wow, unbelievable. I feel really sorry for some of the players that have missed out because of him.

He was picked as a "fan favority" iNcontrol has a HUGE fan base... people seem to ignore that.

People liek iNcontrol, Artosis, Grubby, etc... were picked because of their fan base, not necessarily their skills. They will draw in viewers, and as such money, and that means more chance of NASL to continue past 3 seasons.


Then why wasn't Destiny picked if it goes on popularity ? He draws more viewers on his stream than all of those players have when they have streamed.

because iNcontrol is better than Destiny...

Its not like it was 100% based on popularity. People make it seem like iNcontrol is complete shit of a player.

Destiny has not placed well in any tournaments really, he loses a lot of his show matches, and as such wouldn't be able to offer good games vs say white-ra, idra, etc...

iNcontrol is a top player, he places in tournaments. He plays in MLG, and did well last year. He puts a lot of time into playing.

He is entertaining, he has a fan base, and he is good at the game.
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rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#3271
On March 30 2011 05:27 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:24 gogatorsfoster wrote:
i can only see divisions 1-5 is it on my side of the internet or is it the site/OP


That's because there are only 5 divisions. :o



lmao wow im a dumb one ty
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#3272
On March 30 2011 05:27 Ajax77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:23 dtz wrote:
http://www.visabureau.com/america/news/14-11-2008/us-signs-visa-waiver-program-declaration-with-romania.aspx

Romania has visa waiver program with the USA so the concern about how nightend might not be able to get visa to US is a bit weird.

In any case, really appreciate NASL's transparency although not everyone will be able to agree with the decisions.

All the best with the tournament


No, they don't. They are on track to be a part of the waiver program, but currently are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program


Ah that is right. I stand corrected then.
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:31:26
March 29 2011 20:29 GMT
#3273
Why we didn’t pick them


OK that's some of the western players. Could you explain your thinking behind not accepting TOP, Bomber, Supernova, Lyn, Cezanne? TOP even has multiple international tournament results. Bomber is #1 on the Korean ELO rankings, making him presumably the highest ranked player in the world.
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
March 29 2011 20:29 GMT
#3274
On March 30 2011 05:26 ciaNo wrote:
This tournament turned out to be a popularity contest


while that is sad its understandable, since they also need to make money with the league and they can only do that by getting more viewers.

If they would have chosen only by skill it would have been 5 players from NA and rest from EU and KR but then they wouldnt be able to draw enough viewers in NA.
TheAura
Profile Joined November 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:30:52
March 29 2011 20:30 GMT
#3275
why must people complain about so much about everything? Its just rude, and shows how ungrateful you are towards what they are doing for esports. grow up, there was no way they could please everyone, and i think they still did a good job. It is going to be a very entertaining league, regardless if a couple of choices are skeptical. And even if some of the choices arent the best, i bet that they are going to practice harder than they ever have, as this is such an amazing opportunity for them, and they will surely bring some top notch play.
Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
March 29 2011 20:30 GMT
#3276
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.

Why does this bureaucracy matter?

We have deadlines. The contracts needed to be received before we could officially count any player in the league, and we needed time to do that. We needed to confirm every one of the 50 players before our website launched, to prepare content, and before the league starts, to ensure that it runs smoothly. Furthermore, because we need to run a broadcast schedule five days a week every week, we had quite a bit of concern over players who were unable to quickly follow these guidelines.

Now that that’s out of the way…

We had a grand total of 104 applications. We immediately eliminated 30 applicants who either: a) didn’t have a video with their application, or b) posted a video on youtube without actually applying. This left us with 74 players on our board. Next, we separated the 74 players by region: Asia, Europe, and North America. After separating the players by region, we went down the list and selected players who: a) were considered “top” players and b) were fan favorites, starting in North America (KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, and IdrA for example), followed by Europe (MorroW, White-Ra, and TLO for example), and Asia (July, MC, and Boxer for example). After this first round we had: 9 North Americans, 8 Europeans, and 6 Koreans.

Before the second round, we went backwards through the list, eliminating the lowest skilled/fame in a group of amazing players: (Cezanne, KenZy, Antimage for example). Then we went back through the regions to select the “second tier” list of admitted players, again based on results and popularity. Players in this list included (some examples: KawaiiRice, Axslav, Haypro, HasuObs, and Ace). This left us with 42 total invites, and 8 remaining spots for the third round of selection.
At this point, we had a two day debate about the remaining players, in which we went to the poll and the application videos to help make our selections. Players who made the final cut included MoMaN and Dde for example. This left us with the North American Star League’s 50 players.

How did we group the players?

The first thing we did is separate teammates – we put all teammates in different groups. The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. After this, we attempted to create an equal balance between races and regions. Two Koreans were placed in each group, and each group has a balance of 4-3-3 (races). We also used our selection process to help the grouping, separating those selected in the first round in different groups, etc.

Overall, we chose 3-4 players (Artosis, Grubby, MoMaN) who were designated as “fan favorites” and 3-4 players (ViBe, CrunCher, DarkforcE) who may be considered “underdogs.” The rest of the players were chosen based on their results and skill level.

Why we picked them

Stalife: Stalife took 2nd place in the EG Masters Cup, multiple ESL Go4SC2 victories (including 1st in the Monthly final), and over $3,500 in prizes won, Stalife has shown to be one of the most underrated players in NA.

ViBe: Nearly qualified for the TSL and had an impressive showing at MLG Dallas 2010, proving that he is one of those up and comers we want to see in this event.

CrunCher: He validated our pick by defeating IdrA in the TSL, but his qualification was impressive as well, taking down top players in an official setting.

Dde: Similar to ViBe, Dde is another player whose results in online cups consistently puts him in the top3 and leads us to believe that he has the potential to surprise many people in the North American Star League.

Grubby: One of the most legendary RTS players of all time – he’s shown some good games at the
Assembly LAN and the FXOpen Invitational. He is one person that we’re sure everyone would love to see succeed.

MoMaN: He’s played pretty well in online cups, and we were really as impressed with his application video, which was one of the most popular we received. He was an easy “fan favorite” choice for us.

Artosis: Artosis posted some good results in the beta stages when he was active, qualifying for the first GSL. Now that he will be active again, we believe he can surprise many people, and of course was one of our fan choices!

Why we didn’t pick them

DeMusliM: He was wearing a cast in his application video, standing outside of a hospital saying that he just had another procedure done, we can't really choose a player who hasn't played in months and have him work his way back into shape in the actual league.

Kas: Despite being late, he actually applied correctly. However, Ukraine does not have a VISA waiver program with the US, and we only wanted players who have demonstrated travel to the US before – having a “high risk” player is something we didn’t want (I.E. we don’t want a situation where visa problems would stop a player like Kas from showing up to the finals).

*Note: players such as White-Ra have demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can travel to the US without problem, and we officially verified that BRAT_OK has a B1 VISA that allows him to travel to the US.

NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

FruitDealer: Incomplete application forced us to remove him from consideration

Who didn’t apply

DIMAGA: Application video past the deadline, neither him or his manager contacted me, so they were never sent contracts.

Jinro: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

HuK: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

IM: Nobody from team IM applied

Prime: Only asked about applying after the application process was over

Final Remarks

Unfortunately, in a tournament with 50 players, it is impossible to create a list that will satisfy everyone. We tried our best to make the most objective list we could. Remember, we have 16 spots next season that will be up for grabs. We encourage everyone to sign up for the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier – especially those that we unfortunately couldn’t select to be in the league this season.

We hope that you all will enjoy the league and know that this process was lengthy and no decision was made hastily or without a great deal of thought.



Really appreciate the transparency from NASL in this regard, thanks xeris.
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
Minigun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
619 Posts
March 29 2011 20:30 GMT
#3277
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.
“Quiet people have the loudest minds.” ― Stephen Hawking
Crebstar
Profile Joined September 2010
United States151 Posts
March 29 2011 20:30 GMT
#3278
I think the proper players will be there within the first few seaons. The players who didn't deserve to be there will be weeded out and replaced by qualifiers.

Same thing happened with GSL.

Although ideally I would have liked to see 16 open spots for qualifiers first season..
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:32:01
March 29 2011 20:30 GMT
#3279
Thanks for the clarification, Xeris. it's a shame FD didn't complete his application. Also, it seems strange how Prime missed the application deadline completely, I wonder if there was a miscommunication with the Koreans. Prime's management in particular seems really incompetent (missing the FXO tournament last round for example). I wonder if the only reason ST, OGS, and Slayers applied on time at all was because of their respective teammates who keep up to date with TL (Torch, TL, and Cella). I'm not blaming you guys at all though, it seems like the Korean teams need to start getting on top of this stuff for foreign tournaments.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 29 2011 20:31 GMT
#3280
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


You should re-read Xeris' statement. He said the Cruncher pick was VALIDATED by Cruncher's win over Idra, not that he was picked because of it.
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