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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Almtom
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden132 Posts
March 29 2011 20:38 GMT
#3301
Lol how the fuck could they not invite Thorzain probably best Terran in Europe and he completely RAPED fruitdealer. I mean I would rather have him than Idra who never ever performs well and just whine and give the viewers complete bs excuses to why he sucks so much.......

TERRIBLE CHOICES NASL I mean they just invite their friends not the best and most exciting players........
enigmatik
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
March 29 2011 20:38 GMT
#3302
Thank you very much for your transparency with the selection process Xeris, I'm guessing a lot of people won't entirely agree with the choices, myself included, but at least knowing makes it a lot better. Also this is the last time there will be invites into NASL correct?
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
March 29 2011 20:38 GMT
#3303
On March 30 2011 05:35 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:31 setzer wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


You should re-read Xeris' statement. He said the Cruncher pick was VALIDATED by Cruncher's win over Idra, not that he was picked because of it.

Jesus christ people need to stop hating on Cruncher. I can't say I'm a fan of his style, but he completely shat on Pain User and Sjow, two world class Terrans and has consistently posted great results recently. His style is really abusive, for example he took complete advantage of Sjow's late scouting weakness, but wins are wins and it seems to seem Cruncher is here to stay and not just a passing fad (like Masq and Silver).

Where do you see any Cruncher-hating in the posts you quoted?
Tyrr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States216 Posts
March 29 2011 20:39 GMT
#3304
I'd like to see a play-in bo3/5 between the players that are being directly debated about (Minigun/Cruncher). Even though it would often be mirror matchups, having a play-in game would certainly add some hype and make you positive in your decision of who was chosen over who. It could be similar to the First Four that the NCAA just recently added this year to their tournament; allowing you to let some players know that they are SO CLOSE to getting in that they need to prove themselves one more time.
im bad
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:40:18
March 29 2011 20:40 GMT
#3305
On March 30 2011 05:38 KingPaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:35 GP wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:31 setzer wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:20 butch wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:16 butch wrote:
Why we picked them

is missing incontrol

And "why we didn't pick them" is missing Thorzain.

Although, I guess he was still kinda unknown in the US until his TSL game.

which is BS, cause Cruncher has been chosen cause of his win vs Idra...


You should re-read Xeris' statement. He said the Cruncher pick was VALIDATED by Cruncher's win over Idra, not that he was picked because of it.

Jesus christ people need to stop hating on Cruncher. I can't say I'm a fan of his style, but he completely shat on Pain User and Sjow, two world class Terrans and has consistently posted great results recently. His style is really abusive, for example he took complete advantage of Sjow's late scouting weakness, but wins are wins and it seems to seem Cruncher is here to stay and not just a passing fad (like Masq and Silver).

Where do you see any Cruncher-hating in the posts you quoted?

Two quotes in the guy said they only picked Cruncher because of his win over Idra.
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
March 29 2011 20:40 GMT
#3306
On March 30 2011 05:30 Minigun wrote:
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.



that's class everyone, take note
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
gulden
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany205 Posts
March 29 2011 20:40 GMT
#3307
I only miss DeMusliM, so, overall I'm satisfied with the current 50!
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:43:23
March 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#3308
Isn't the visa reasoning sort of a catch 22? You can't expect everyone to provide previously successful visa applications if they've had no reason to enter that specific country in the past. You are in effect ruling out everyone who hasn't had the opportunity to enter the US so far from entering future NASL tournaments unless they make an unrelated visit on their own time.

Maybe I'm not just clear on what kind of visa evidence is required by you guys. Do you actually need past successful visa applications or just confirmation that they most definitely would receive one with the right reasoning? Care to enlighten me?
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Snoyarc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States101 Posts
March 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#3309
On March 30 2011 05:10 Xeris wrote:
Enjoy~~


North American Star League – The Players

We hope that this will shed some light to the community about our application and selection process. On February 1st I contacted as many teams as I could and allowed them to begin preparing. These are the people/teams that fell under the category of “direct approach.” When we opened the application process, I contacted those teams again to allow them to officially submit their players. Anyone whose team manager was not directly contacted was part of the “public application” pool.

Because we were running at a fairly tight deadline, we had to close the application period at March 16th – we were not able to consider all the “public applications” received after this time. This applies to players such as DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLuSh, for example. Now, to clarify: the “application” is not just the video. The application is complete when the contract has been signed. The process for a public application was for them to send their application video along with manager contact information to apply@nasl.tv . After receiving their info, I would then send the contracts out to be signed. LaLuSh, DIMAGA, and Kas did not follow this application process.

Why does this bureaucracy matter?

We have deadlines. The contracts needed to be received before we could officially count any player in the league, and we needed time to do that. We needed to confirm every one of the 50 players before our website launched, to prepare content, and before the league starts, to ensure that it runs smoothly. Furthermore, because we need to run a broadcast schedule five days a week every week, we had quite a bit of concern over players who were unable to quickly follow these guidelines.

Now that that’s out of the way…

We had a grand total of 104 applications. We immediately eliminated 30 applicants who either: a) didn’t have a video with their application, or b) posted a video on youtube without actually applying. This left us with 74 players on our board. Next, we separated the 74 players by region: Asia, Europe, and North America. After separating the players by region, we went down the list and selected players who: a) were considered “top” players and b) were fan favorites, starting in North America (KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, and IdrA for example), followed by Europe (MorroW, White-Ra, and TLO for example), and Asia (July, MC, and Boxer for example). After this first round we had: 9 North Americans, 8 Europeans, and 6 Koreans.

Before the second round, we went backwards through the list, eliminating the lowest skilled/fame in a group of amazing players: (Cezanne, KenZy, Antimage for example). Then we went back through the regions to select the “second tier” list of admitted players, again based on results and popularity. Players in this list included (some examples: KawaiiRice, Axslav, Haypro, HasuObs, and Ace). This left us with 42 total invites, and 8 remaining spots for the third round of selection.
At this point, we had a two day debate about the remaining players, in which we went to the poll and the application videos to help make our selections. Players who made the final cut included MoMaN and Dde for example. This left us with the North American Star League’s 50 players.

How did we group the players?

The first thing we did is separate teammates – we put all teammates in different groups. The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. After this, we attempted to create an equal balance between races and regions. Two Koreans were placed in each group, and each group has a balance of 4-3-3 (races). We also used our selection process to help the grouping, separating those selected in the first round in different groups, etc.

Overall, we chose 3-4 players (Artosis, Grubby, MoMaN) who were designated as “fan favorites” and 3-4 players (ViBe, CrunCher, DarkforcE) who may be considered “underdogs.” The rest of the players were chosen based on their results and skill level.

Why we picked them

Stalife: Stalife took 2nd place in the EG Masters Cup, multiple ESL Go4SC2 victories (including 1st in the Monthly final), and over $3,500 in prizes won, Stalife has shown to be one of the most underrated players in NA.

ViBe: Nearly qualified for the TSL and had an impressive showing at MLG Dallas 2010, proving that he is one of those up and comers we want to see in this event.

CrunCher: He validated our pick by defeating IdrA in the TSL, but his qualification was impressive as well, taking down top players in an official setting.

Dde: Similar to ViBe, Dde is another player whose results in online cups consistently puts him in the top3 and leads us to believe that he has the potential to surprise many people in the North American Star League.

Grubby: One of the most legendary RTS players of all time – he’s shown some good games at the
Assembly LAN and the FXOpen Invitational. He is one person that we’re sure everyone would love to see succeed.

MoMaN: He’s played pretty well in online cups, and we were really as impressed with his application video, which was one of the most popular we received. He was an easy “fan favorite” choice for us.

Artosis: Artosis posted some good results in the beta stages when he was active, qualifying for the first GSL. Now that he will be active again, we believe he can surprise many people, and of course was one of our fan choices!

Why we didn’t pick them

DeMusliM: He was wearing a cast in his application video, standing outside of a hospital saying that he just had another procedure done, we can't really choose a player who hasn't played in months and have him work his way back into shape in the actual league.

Kas: Despite being late, he actually applied correctly. However, Ukraine does not have a VISA waiver program with the US, and we only wanted players who have demonstrated travel to the US before – having a “high risk” player is something we didn’t want (I.E. we don’t want a situation where visa problems would stop a player like Kas from showing up to the finals).

*Note: players such as White-Ra have demonstrated on numerous occasions that he can travel to the US without problem, and we officially verified that BRAT_OK has a B1 VISA that allows him to travel to the US.

NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.

Minigun: This was a difficult pick, however, due to our attempt to balance by race and region, we only had room for one more Protoss. We essentially made a judgment call between two very very good players; and chose Cruncher over Minigun.

FruitDealer: Incomplete application forced us to remove him from consideration

Who didn’t apply

DIMAGA: Application video past the deadline, neither him or his manager contacted me, so they were never sent contracts.

Jinro: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

HuK: Did not sign contract, probably to focus on GSL

IM: Nobody from team IM applied

Prime: Only asked about applying after the application process was over

Final Remarks

Unfortunately, in a tournament with 50 players, it is impossible to create a list that will satisfy everyone. We tried our best to make the most objective list we could. Remember, we have 16 spots next season that will be up for grabs. We encourage everyone to sign up for the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier – especially those that we unfortunately couldn’t select to be in the league this season.

We hope that you all will enjoy the league and know that this process was lengthy and no decision was made hastily or without a great deal of thought.



I'm glad you made this post, and glad you invited some underdogs/darkhorses but I don't see how its possible to leave out Players like Minigun, Arguably the best player on ROOT and one of if not the best Protoss' in NA.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#3310
On March 30 2011 05:38 Almtom wrote:
Lol how the fuck could they not invite Thorzain probably best Terran in Europe and he completely RAPED fruitdealer. I mean I would rather have him than Idra who never ever performs well and just whine and give the viewers complete bs excuses to why he sucks so much.......

TERRIBLE CHOICES NASL I mean they just invite their friends not the best and most exciting players........


FruitDealer vs Thorzain happened afterwards.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
LooseMoose
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States184 Posts
March 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#3311
On March 30 2011 05:40 chonkyfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:30 Minigun wrote:
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.



that's class everyone, take note



Agreed. Minigun, you're a class act, bud.
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
March 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#3312
On March 30 2011 05:34 Jakkerr wrote:
...
Can a lot of you please stop whining about the decisions that the NASL staff made?
They are trying to set up a league with 50 of the best players in the world and you people actually dare to complain about who they do and don't pick?
It's their first time and they aren't as professional as GSL (yet).
People will allways complain about invites simple as that, if they would have picked other names people would have complained about those too.
Please lets just be happy they make a league like this and we can watch it for free

I'm in no way unhappy with who they have picked and Xeris' explanation why and how. It's just that it wasn't thorough enough for certain ppl including myself.

However I will be watching most games and paying for my premium ticket, cause "it's to support e-sports". Let's hope the "lesser" players will cause some upsets, to shut myself and others up.
Marauder Die Die
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 29 2011 20:42 GMT
#3313
iNcontroL is a great player and strong personality, why wouldn't the NASL want someone like this regardless of any construed "favoritism"? Who cares? He's a valuable addition to the league.
People need to shut the hell up.
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:48:50
March 29 2011 20:42 GMT
#3314
On March 30 2011 05:35 Pirat6662001 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Dimaga should have been accepted just because it is fucking DIMAGA. Have you seen this guy play? He beat July and MVP in the same day. He is the top non-korean zerg and not having in the tourney is stupid.


Thanks for the spoilers.
IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 29 2011 20:43 GMT
#3315
On March 30 2011 05:41 LooseMoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:40 chonkyfire wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:30 Minigun wrote:
Well thanks for the info xeris, guess I will need to practice a bit more.

Gl to those in, will be a fun turny to watch for sure.



that's class everyone, take note



Agreed. Minigun, you're a class act, bud.

This is why minigun is my favorite protoss... he worked is way up from gold -> one of best NA protoss. and doesn't insult the NASL over their decisions, he just decides to get better.

Minigun, you are a superhero bro.
If you want to help me out... http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4b82744b816d3
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 20:45:10
March 29 2011 20:44 GMT
#3316
On March 30 2011 05:42 Robonord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:35 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Dimaga should have been accepted just because it is fucking DIMAGA. Have you seen this guy play? He beat July and MVP in the same day. He is the top non-korean zerg and not having in the tourney is stupid.


Thanks for the spoilers.


Thanks for quoting the spoilers and not putting them into spoilertags.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
March 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#3317
Some really really good players got snubbed here, but overall I think they did a solid job. I've got no doubt that the most notable snubs will be able to play their way into future NASLs
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
March 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#3318
gogo fnatic terrans/select/drewbie!!!

These brackets are looking amazing :D:D:D
NightEnD
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania107 Posts
March 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#3319
On March 30 2011 05:37 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:32 Brutus wrote:
On March 30 2011 05:20 NightEnD wrote:
''NightEnD: Same reason as Kas. He assured us that he could get a VISA, but we only accepted players who actually have a copy of a VISA that they could show us.''

As i said im sick of how i get threated .. i can take visa like NO PROBLEM , u didnt even bother to ask me or tell me about the visa , u only told me about the visa after i asked if im invited .. thats just pathetic and desgusting , when i have apply for the NASL u could have told me about the visa and by now i would already have had apply for it and take it . Romania is part of the european nations and so i would have not even 1 problem in taking the visa . Very profesional tho very... and the answer is even more profesional ..


If this is true then it's very unprofessional and unfair. From the limited amount of information I have on Xeris, the way he acts and handles things are pretty unprofessional (that team league, inviting players into NASL)


I already told you NightEnD, that the reason we didn't select you is because you didn't already have one, and there are concerns about countries that don't have a visa waiver program. Just because Romania is in the EU does not mean they have a visa waiver program. Romania doesn't; they might soon, but as of right now they don't.

I talked to you specifically about this and explained why. You were on the backup list of players, but we didn't end up needing any backups.


When i asked u if im invited you told me that im not becouse u didnt know i can take a visa .. 1st Why u didnt told me that i need a visa when i have apply for nasl so i could have apply for one and SHOW U ? ???????
2nd How did u know that i dont have visa when u didnt even bother to ask me if i have visa or not or if i can take one or not? ur telling me u assumed that i cant take a visa wich is just so so so pathetic

fsdfds
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
March 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#3320
On March 30 2011 05:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
iNcontroL is a great player


No, he is not. Go to the TLPD right now and find a single item on that page that makes him a great player. No top finishes, horrible winrate. Not to mention the simple and obvious fact that he is not a professional gamer. His profession is coach.
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