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Boxer could have taken that game with better decision making when attacking Zenio's expansions. Biggest problem was that he focused too much on taking out the hatchery, instead of the drones. Sometimes taking out the hatchery was the best decision, but there were times where he should have targeted the drones.
But this also shows that Boxer is too reliant on attacking his opponent instead of macroing. A player like IMMVP, in that scenario, would have just targeted drones then get the marines out, at the same time expanding and adding production facilities. Basically Boxer tries to too much to bring his opponent down, whereas a better player would bring his opponent down (by attacking) at the same time he's pulling himself up (building an economy).
Edit: Zenio was also extremely late with mutas. After seeing so many zerglings and banelings early on, Boxer should have known Zenio was going to be slow on tech and vulnerable to drops.
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On March 15 2011 21:17 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 21:16 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:15 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:15 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:14 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:13 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:12 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:12 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:11 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 21:10 Emporio wrote:
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mutas take out half of boxers arm pushing out
zenio re expanding again
boxer pushes, marines run away and lose 5 tanks
banelings take out half the marines, but thors hold the attack boxer pushes and takes out the gold, try to take out the 3oclock and low ground but is held off boxer behind in supply mutas take out a thor, boxer takes out 3oclock base 4 infestors out for zenio chilling seige line at the 3oclock zenio remaking gold and 9oclock base boxer takes out 5oclock low grounds fungals on mraines takes out most of them, mutas mop up the rest of the tanks fungaled marines able to take out zenio's gold, zenio remaking it boxer mines out gold, but minerals still available at main and natural zenio on 4 bases, 1 mining, 1 in production seige mode below boxer's gold, marines attacking 9oclokc base, able to take it out right before mutas come to defend zenio:123 boxer: 88 boxer looking low on minerals, zenio remaking 5oclock base, remade gold, boxer pressuring gold shelling away at gold base while both sides stay still, boxer pushes marines into 5oclock base, infestors scare him away gold is taken out, most of the marines low on health from stimming away from the mutas boxer loses most of his marines at the 3oclock base trying to take it out mutas not really attacking them almost takes it out 110 hp left boxer moving orbital to 9oclock base to take it boxer looks like he doesn't have enough units, fungal takes out the left of his marines zerglings push into boxers natrual and destroy his barracks, now in his main boxer gg
thanks so much for the LR
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Damn, so sad for Boxer 
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised that he's in code A. I consider him to be a fringe code S player at best.
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On March 15 2011 21:44 Ashok wrote:
I think Boxer should become a full time coach.
He faced an ultimatum in BW - became a coach or get out, he moved to SC2 (old interview, can't find a link). He wants to play, the man has passion.
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I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg.
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Im still asking myself according to the Zenio vs Boxer game 1..why the fuck did Zenio keep going for banelings vs Thors and hellions instead of massing roaches? it makes no sense to me. :S GG the 2 other games were brilliant tho
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On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg.
It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans.
In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen.
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On March 15 2011 21:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 21:23 antilyon wrote:On March 15 2011 21:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
GG! The better player won. Im glad boxer is in Code A where he belongs imo You sir, have no heart. It is super cruel. But I don't know if Boxer is currently in the top 32. I would say he is, because I dont find him less than L and Lyn is top 4. But I don't know. I have faith he will make r8 in Code A though, but there are SO MANY good players in code A next season.
Might be cruel but he lost 0-3 in his group and lost to Zenio who simply outplayed him Game 3. If it was any other player everyone would be talking differently here. Just because its Boxer doenst automatically make him awesome at SC2. Simple as.
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On March 15 2011 22:02 Gackt_ wrote:
Im still asking myself according to the Zenio vs Boxer game 1..why the fuck did Zenio keep going for banelings vs Thors and hellions instead of massing roaches? it makes no sense to me. :S GG the 2 other games were brilliant tho
Banelings deal extra damage to hellions, while not taking extra from them. They're meant to drive the hellions away so that zerglings can get more hits off on the thors.
I guess you didn't you know that Thors absolutely destroy roaches once you get a LARGE NUMBER of them. And Boxer had a large number of them, with full upgrades. A 3/3 Thor can defeat 5 0/0 roaches.
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On March 15 2011 21:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 21:23 antilyon wrote:On March 15 2011 21:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
GG! The better player won. Im glad boxer is in Code A where he belongs imo You sir, have no heart. It is super cruel. But I don't know if Boxer is currently in the top 32. I would say he is, because I dont find him less than L and Lyn is top 4. But I don't know. I have faith he will make r8 in Code A though, but there are SO MANY good players in code A next season.
Cruel? Dude, he won a single game in this season. Out of 6. He wasn't great in previous seasons either. He has a single semi-final in season 2 and then... nothing. He could barely stay in code s, until today. And now, he's at where he deserves. He should have stayed in SKT1 and be a coach.
On March 15 2011 21:18 shadymmj wrote:
i just dont understand how one of the greatest and smartest starcraft players of all time can fall from the top league
something must be broke with the game
Dude, what are you talking about? Better player won and the game is broke? Were you going to continue by saying that Zerg was op if you were not temp-banned? He may be really "great" and "smart", but this doesn't mean that he's immune to limitations of simple mechanics such as macro in order to compete at that level. I even doubt that he could stay in code a with that competency.
On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen.
I agree with all these points given in this post.
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boxer nooooooooooooooooooooo (((((((((((((
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On March 15 2011 21:29 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 21:26 Alphaes wrote:On March 15 2011 21:24 GetToDaChopa wrote:On March 15 2011 20:54 dunc wrote:On March 15 2011 20:51 GetToDaChopa wrote:On March 15 2011 20:46 cascades wrote:
Boxer fails to sieg up in time, banelings do massive damage again. No, it looks that way because Zenio is zerg and made one mistake so he lost the game. What a stupid comment. Do you even think or do you just cry everytime a zerg loses? Giving up bases while you're far ahead and can easily counter attack/defend it. What a minor mistake, he definitely lost because he was Zerg.God it's so boring getting to see these comments in EVERY SINGLE LR thread that has a Zerg playing. Just because you're zerg, doesn't mean you can't be outplayed. Not every single thing comes down to game balance. Dunc - Sarcasm. Sarcasm - Dunc. I don't believe you've met. Ever. But, yeaaaaaaaa thanks for the advice. You've really opened up my eyes toward the game and exposed a new truth I never knew existed. *this is for Dunc* - heyy that was "sarcasm". Just-so-you-don't-get-confused. bro! Sounds more like backpedaling rather than sarcasm. Agreed. You don't just say stupid shit that mimics actual stupid shit that lots of people sincerely spew all the time, and then laugh at people that get mad at you because you were being "sarcastic". Doesn't work like that.
Thats actually exactly how sarcasm works.
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Thats actually exactly how sarcasm works.
Actually no, you have to leave a hint that you're being sarcastic. This is basically why sarcasm is hard to pull off in a great way.
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Boxer going to destroy code A next season so easily, he should be code S again.
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legend 1 "boxer": Out of main tournament
legend 2 "nada": Stays Code S with ease
legend 3 "july": First former bw legend to be a GSL Finalist
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These people in the LR thread are pathetic, I can't wait to report all of you.
Seriously....I've never liked Zenio, IdrA said it best; he's a flash in the pan. Takes down the Emperor to Code A, this is unfathomably disappointing and unbelievable. God damn IT. FFFUU Even IF he can "destroy" code A next season, just won't be the same. What if he get's cheesed as well? This is a nightmare.
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Oh wow.Very bad luck for the emperor.
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lol really shows how increasingly select Code S is with Boxer now down in Code A, and there are more and more people trying to get into Code A and Code S than retiring
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Too bad Boxer ist down, especially after that Game 3, where he played a really really incredible game micro- and desicion-making wise. In my opinion Zenio played well also but was just sitting it out. Not a bad strategy, but boring^^
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