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If fruitdealer went down then today would have been perfect for me =[
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On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen.
You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison.
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On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison.
I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post.
The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it....
Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont.
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I'm actually quite impressed how Boxer didn't get missile turrets against that many mutas but still almost won. His constant aggression made the mutas play D so much. A lot of the game came down to the hidden expansion early, which allowed Zenio a lot of room for sloppiness, and of course the four wasted siege tanks.
Major props to Boxer for never give up never surrender which almost won him the game. Zenio's play was not flashy but smarter overall, simply because he had more stuff due to macro focused play. Boxer can macro well but certainly didn't show it that game.
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On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison.
Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG.
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Judging by these games, if Boxer would get his mechanics straight he would definitely be one of the best terrans.
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On March 16 2011 00:20 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 23:32 Heimatloser wrote:
legend 1 "boxer": Out of main tournament
legend 2 "nada": Stays Code S with ease
legend 3 "july": First former bw legend to be a GSL Finalist Nada is 26 and July is 24. They're younger than a lot of people think they are. Boxer is 30, has a wife and is managing a team. It would be hard for anyone to stay in top shape under those circumstances.
I don't think it's age as much to do with playstyle. Boxer's macro has always been bad compared to other progamers. He's tried to improve over the years but has never been consistently good. He tends to forget to build units, expand and take care of his economy while microing. The legends like Nada and July who are finding some success right now are the ones who were competitive in BW after it became more of a macro game.
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And FUuuuUUUuuUUUuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuUU....ACEE.....NOOOOOOOooooOOOOO.
It`s a sad day for me Q_Q
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Seeing Ace who was so dominant in IEM getting owned so hard is pretty disheartening. T_T
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On March 16 2011 02:39 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post. The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it.... Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont.
The truth is is that he wasn't that great and although had some great and influential plays in the earlier days of starcraft (raping everyone with unheard of strategies with an UP race) he has too many flaws in his play. He was great with coming up with new strategies and performing some ballsy exciting play. He was at one point the best player in starcraft but that was ages ago and the meta game has changed giving rise to needing to be perfect in terms of strategy, macro and micro. I'd give him props with his strategies and micro but his macro never seemed to improve to the level of the best. He was the reason why I started to watch BW and I agree he is the most influential and probably the best thing that has ever happened to esports but to call him one of the greatest players of all time in terms of overall skill? No. Sorry.
I am however, sad that he is knocked down. Would have loved to see him make a comeback into code S
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Boxer 
He showed amazing micro as usual though!
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On March 16 2011 02:39 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post. The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it.... Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont.
No need to mention all those achievements, I followed the BW scene probably a lot longer than you. Most of the achievements you mentioned are outside of the game itself, that's nothing to do with his in game skills. He did all those things, just because he played the game earlier than a lot of better players.
And also, I want to point out, you can not say he is a good coach, IloveOov is a much better coach than boxer. Everybody gave credits to boxer when fantasy does something great, actually IloveOov is the reason that fantasy does amazing things.
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On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG.
I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure.
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On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure.
Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here.
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On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here.
That's only your opinion. All I am saying is, skill-wise boxer is not good compared to other Bonjwas.
He got less champions than other Bonjwas, and he had the lowest win rate among all Bonjwas. Also he did that in a short time period compare to others. He is one of the greatest, but not the GOAT.
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Wish Boxer just slow down a little bit in game 3 and macro up. He played so beautiful except stimed to much and didn't care much about expanding.
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On March 16 2011 03:32 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 02:39 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post. The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it.... Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont. No need to mention all those achievements, I followed the BW scene probably a lot longer than you. Most of the achievements you mentioned are outside of the game itself, that's nothing to do with his in game skills. He did all those things, just because he played the game earlier than a lot of better players. And also, I want to point out, you can not say he is a good coach, IloveOov is a much better coach than boxer. Everybody gave credits to boxer when fantasy does something great, actually IloveOov is the reason that fantasy does amazing things.
Being from Montreal,i followed BW when GRRr won the OSL.I Started playing Sc in 97.You were saying?
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On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here.
Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling?
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Ehhh. I only got as far as Zenio's first game, which was terrible, and now I'm checking LB, which is telling me the Emperor has fallen to Code A.
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Ohh yeah Sangho. You need to take #1 protoss spot soon
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