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On March 15 2011 17:11 AndAgain wrote:
Wow wtf. Do the Koreans shift all events a clock hour later?
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aces first game was a bit of a shamble but gz to virus for code S
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On March 16 2011 04:29 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here. Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling?
You know why July wasnt a Bonjwa? Same reason as why Jaedong aint no Bonjwa. There was a player that could rival them. Flash is going trough the same thing. There are players that can rival him. When NaDa was on top of the game, no one could even hope to touch him. Same for SaViOr or IloVeOov. Also,Flash barely invented anything unlike Oov and SaviOr. NaDa came with the Patrol trick for the Vulture. He has the best SKt Terran of all time. Flash`s dominance in due to his skill but also to the switch to mech from most terrans.
Bonjwa is not an opinion, its a title backed by facts.
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If boxer cant make it back to CodeS, he should pull an Idra and play in the foreign scene. The competition would be easier, and he'd be the perfect candidate to be an influential figure in the foreign scene. Imagine boxer at NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc.
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On March 16 2011 04:38 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:29 zerious wrote:On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here. Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling? You know why July wasnt a Bonjwa? Same reason as why Jaedong aint no Bonjwa. There was a player that could rival them. Flash is going trough the same thing. There are players that can rival him. When NaDa was on top of the game, no one could even hope to touch him. Same for SaViOr or IloVeOov. Also,Flash barely invented anything unlike Oov and SaviOr. NaDa came with the Patrol trick for the Vulture. He has the best SKt Terran of all time. Flash`s dominance in due to his skill but also to the switch to mech from most terrans. Bonjwa is not an opinion, its a title backed by facts.
Lol sorry bud, Flash is a bonjwa. The Korean scene has already crowned him as such and thus it is so.
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On March 16 2011 04:29 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:32 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:39 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post. The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it.... Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont. No need to mention all those achievements, I followed the BW scene probably a lot longer than you. Most of the achievements you mentioned are outside of the game itself, that's nothing to do with his in game skills. He did all those things, just because he played the game earlier than a lot of better players. And also, I want to point out, you can not say he is a good coach, IloveOov is a much better coach than boxer. Everybody gave credits to boxer when fantasy does something great, actually IloveOov is the reason that fantasy does amazing things. Being from Montreal,i followed BW when GRRr won the OSL.I Started playing Sc in 97.You were saying?
Playing a game before it is released, awesome.
Boxer's style is being himself. At the very least, they are entertaining games =)
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On March 16 2011 04:38 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:29 zerious wrote:On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here. Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling? You know why July wasnt a Bonjwa? Same reason as why Jaedong aint no Bonjwa. There was a player that could rival them. Flash is going trough the same thing. There are players that can rival him. When NaDa was on top of the game, no one could even hope to touch him. Same for SaViOr or IloVeOov. Also,Flash barely invented anything unlike Oov and SaviOr. NaDa came with the Patrol trick for the Vulture. He has the best SKt Terran of all time. Flash`s dominance in due to his skill but also to the switch to mech from most terrans. Bonjwa is not an opinion, its a title backed by facts.
I dunno I think it's pretty hard to argue against the fact that Flash is the most dominant player right now, and soon maybe he'll be the most dominant player ever. pretty much nobody who he has played more than one game against has a winning record against him, and so far he's had success rivaling NaDa in the individual leagues. This season he's poised to win a 6th individual league and break the record.
edit: tie the record I guess I mean.
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On March 16 2011 04:43 Fawkes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:29 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 16 2011 03:32 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:39 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. I hope you are proud my dead sir, you`ve just typed the Universe`s worst post. The saddest part is that this post will be framed in this thread untill the death of the hardrive that saved it.... Not only Boxer is one of the greatest, he is the most important gamer of all times. Not only that, he`s the greatest coach of all time, with IloveOov. He founded the greatest team of all time, SKt1, he founded the team Ace, just for programer to be able to play while being in the army......and he totaly spurred the interest in SC2 in its begining. So, there`s a few words id like to call you but i wont. No need to mention all those achievements, I followed the BW scene probably a lot longer than you. Most of the achievements you mentioned are outside of the game itself, that's nothing to do with his in game skills. He did all those things, just because he played the game earlier than a lot of better players. And also, I want to point out, you can not say he is a good coach, IloveOov is a much better coach than boxer. Everybody gave credits to boxer when fantasy does something great, actually IloveOov is the reason that fantasy does amazing things. Being from Montreal,i followed BW when GRRr won the OSL.I Started playing Sc in 97.You were saying? Playing a game before it is released, awesome. Boxer's style is being himself. At the very least, they are entertaining games =)
FUUUUUU.....i always confuse Half life releash with SC.....wow half life was releashed in 98 too....i always confuse 97 and 98....ouch lol!
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After the end of that series,
Zenio: Is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle toward my hand?
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Sad day for Ace and Boxer  .
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On March 16 2011 04:38 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:29 zerious wrote:On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here. Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling? You know why July wasnt a Bonjwa? Same reason as why Jaedong aint no Bonjwa. There was a player that could rival them. Flash is going trough the same thing. There are players that can rival him. When NaDa was on top of the game, no one could even hope to touch him. Same for SaViOr or IloVeOov. Also,Flash barely invented anything unlike Oov and SaviOr. NaDa came with the Patrol trick for the Vulture. He has the best SKt Terran of all time. Flash`s dominance in due to his skill but also to the switch to mech from most terrans. Bonjwa is not an opinion, its a title backed by facts.
Flash was the one that led the charge with mech transition TvZ, and also invented the double Armory TvP vs carriers. He also has a 72,37% career winning percentage (385-147). Compare this with other bonjwas: Oov at 61.29% (228-144), Nada at 60.22% (439-290), Savior at 57.42% (205-152), Boxer at 56.21% (353-275).
Flash has been by far the most dominant out of all of them, and it's not like he's a quick-come-quick-go bonjwa like Oov and Savior were; he's been consistently at or near the top for a long, long time.
Saying Flash isn't a bonjwa is just retarded, when it's clear in everything but titles (though he will likely catch or surpass Nada before his career ends) that he's by far the best out of all of them.
He also holds every single ELO peak and the win streak records for TvT and TvP.
Enough facts for you?
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On March 16 2011 04:38 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:29 zerious wrote:On March 16 2011 03:52 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 03:37 hydraden wrote:On March 16 2011 02:57 Firereaver wrote:On March 16 2011 02:18 hydraden wrote:On March 15 2011 22:10 Emporio wrote:On March 15 2011 22:00 Bliznako wrote:
I can't understand why people are only seeing bad things from Boxer going to Code A. A lot of good players ended up in the Up&Down matches, it was bound to have some of them drop out.
On the other hand, I have only one thing to say to all the naysayers: JulyZerg. It's kinda like when Michael Jordan returned to play NBA on the Wizards. Sure every one was super excited to have him back and in all honesty, he was one of the better players in the league even at his age and lack of practice, but it just wasn't MJ really returning to the sport. Even though he did incredibly well and any other person would be happy with the amount of success and skill he had for his return career, because of who he was, it was a let down for fans. In other words, were he anyone else, this would be considered great success, but unfortunately, he is Boxer, so being anything other than the best, even if it is unrealistic, is really the only thing that will satisfy people. And if people aren't satisfied, bad things happen. You can't compare boxer to MJ. Boxer's skill was never great, he is nothing close to be the greatest of all time. On the other hand, MJ is GOAT. If you want to compare, maybe Flash to MJ is a better comparison. Lol. Disrespectful punk or epic flamebaiter... either ways youre good at both! GG. I'm not being disrespectful. I followed the BW scene several years already. I never believed boxer's skill is better than other Bonjwa，such as nada, iloveoov, savior, flash, jaedong. I also believe that boxer's skill is not even better than Yellow's. So I said he is not GOAT, that's not disrespectful. Only one person can be GOAT, today the GOAT in BW is flash for sure. Maybe if you watched closer youd know that Jaedong(and Flash for all practical purposes inspite of wat Liquipedia says) are not Bonjwas.... You have ob not followed BW much if you have no love for BoxeR as is patently obvious here. Flash not a bonjwa? You trolling? You know why July wasnt a Bonjwa? Same reason as why Jaedong aint no Bonjwa. There was a player that could rival them. Flash is going trough the same thing. There are players that can rival him. When NaDa was on top of the game, no one could even hope to touch him. Same for SaViOr or IloVeOov. Also,Flash barely invented anything unlike Oov and SaviOr. NaDa came with the Patrol trick for the Vulture. He has the best SKt Terran of all time. Flash`s dominance in due to his skill but also to the switch to mech from most terrans. Bonjwa is not an opinion, its a title backed by facts.
Flash is 18 years old, just graduated HS, and is now looking more invincible than ever. Kid will be the GOAT (as much as I love JD).
On topic: fucking awesome games today. Sad that Boxer couldn't make it, but GO SANGHO.
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Well I guess luck was rather lacking on Boxer's part this time. I was pretty surprise GOM didn't jack the groups and put him in one of the ALL TERRAN groups.
I'm a big fan of him in his BW days but boxer didn't stand out for me in GSL as of now.
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So Happy that Fruitdeale made it out of the up/down matches ♥
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... oh Gom and there small mistakes :D
I am hoping that there is another "Wildcard Bracket" like the one they had for LiveForever when san leaves for his military service. Assuming he still is (I don't follow things that closely)
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On March 16 2011 04:40 Spicy Pepper wrote:
If boxer cant make it back to CodeS, he should pull an Idra and play in the foreign scene. The competition would be easier, and he'd be the perfect candidate to be an influential figure in the foreign scene. Imagine boxer at NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, etc.
Pull an IdrA? IdrA can still compete at code S just the whole EG starting NASL made him want to compete there.
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Wait so is Boxer in Code A now?
I see that Boxer's game 2 win is really recommended though. I'm guessing he rushed or something? xD
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On March 16 2011 06:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Wait so is Boxer in Code A now? I see that Boxer's game 2 win is really recommended though. I'm guessing he rushed or something? xD
Solid play. Suffocated the zerg with tanks.
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All 3 games against Zenio were amazing because BoxeR's tactics, micro, and utterly dogged determination kept him in the game much longer than anyone thought possible. Pretty sure if you put IdrA in BoxerR's situation, he would've gg'd out about 20 minutes earlier each time. I'm sure that he manages to pull out victories in really disadvantageous situations like that a lot.
It didn't happen this time, but if this series proved anything, it's that the Emperor won't quit. He'll be back.
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So was I the only one that caught the Artosis F bomb at the end of the last series :D?
Also some crazy games last night! Good stuff!
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On March 16 2011 06:37 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
So was I the only one that caught the Artosis F bomb at the end of the last series :D?
Also some crazy games last night! Good stuff!
Lol i caught that
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I'm still so sad, I was wishing I was just dreaming that Boxer got knocked down to code A. Hopefully his time there isn't very lengthy.
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