On March 15 2011 22:30 deerpark87 wrote: Seriously, if you don't let Koreans in NASL whats the point? NASL is North America Star League yet everyone is okay when EU/SEA players are invited. Makes no sense that Koreans are restricted. You can argue the Koreans teams are strong but we have NA/EU PRO teams. This should give the foreigners motivation to train just as good as Koreans to beat them. I am getting a sense reading the last 10 pages that we are scare of them and that is bad for western esports when GomTV promotes and seeds foreigners for GSL. What makes TSL3 so anticipated is that we want to see foreigners duke it out against Koreans.
Gom does very little for the foreign community (outside of their insular charging for VOD's and an incredibly poor stream), seeding 4 players is nothing compared to the lengths Western organisations present and promote their tourneys. The foreign community is currently at a lower skill level than Korea, thats fine. We don't have the organisation or backing to produce team houses for fulltime practice but the only way we'll catch up is by nurturing the foreign community untill it becomes financially viable to produce western teamhouses, which is probably less likely to happen if one of the first major tourneys we have is stomped by Koreans. If anything the NASL would get big and companies would sponsor KR proteams seeing it as a safer bet.
Destiny's video being Pokemon really made me laugh. And Incontrol's did too, but I must say, Qxc's was just amazing and I laughed so hard. I really want pretty much everyone to get into the NASL! Too hard to choose.
On March 15 2011 22:41 bmml wrote: Gom does very little for the foreign community (outside of their insular charging for VOD's and an incredibly poor stream), seeding 4 players is nothing compared to the lengths Western organisations present and promote their tourneys.
So I guess providing room and board for top foreigners to enable them to move to/live in Korea is very little?
July's Vid was amazing. The more I see of him the more I love his play and personality. So hyped for him vs MC my other top korean personality. That is why I am loving NASL so much for helping us relate to the players better. I think this goes along with the recent PAX discussion of helping to move the players towards the lime light.
I wonder how much help Torch is on these things, as Startale seems to the team most involved with the rest of the world (2 players to IEM, ICCup map challenges, etc..) It seems like picking him up was a great move.
if i want to watch koreans play I watch the GSL. if i want to watch foreigners play I watch the NASL. thats how i feel for the most part and a friend of mine only watches a GSL match when a foreigner is playing, but is really looking forward to the NASL because he only cares about the foreigner scene. NASL should definitely have a few koreans though, but the majority of the players should be foreigners. 5 out of the 50 players being korean in the NASL seems similiar to the number of foreigners youll see compete in the GSL. sounds fair to me.
On March 15 2011 22:41 bmml wrote: Gom does very little for the foreign community (outside of their insular charging for VOD's and an incredibly poor stream), seeding 4 players is nothing compared to the lengths Western organisations present and promote their tourneys.
So I guess providing room and board for top foreigners to enable them to move to/live in Korea is very little?
That example does very little for the foreign community, in terms of growing viewership etc. However I'll admit for the tiny amount of foreigners who can drop everything for a month+ to live in Korea its a pretty good deal.
I still think opening up their content to the world would far better grow their product and help the overall scene more than a GSL halfway house (which probably costs them what? 50 GSL subs?).
On March 15 2011 23:43 YoiChiBow wrote: Who was QXC's last rival in his video? I got HuK and IdrA but i couldn't figure out the last person...
This has been asked and answer a bunch, but most of the time people give the wrong answer. He has posted on his Facebook that he was referring to Select (whose ID was chosen by looking at a select button)
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
I personally would rather see my favorite players in the NASL than some Koreans who I don't care about.
You can't say you want to see Incontrol vs Julyzerg, because if there are more Koreans, there is for example no room for Incontrol. Many people want to see the players from their nation to be in the league:
(I will pick max. 6 for every country, but there are many more really good players) Germany: Socke, TLO, Goody, Darkforce, HasuObs, (Insolence), .... USA: Idra, QXC, Tyler, Select, Axslav, KawaiiRice, ... Canada: Huk, Kiwikaki, Drewbie, TT1, (Slush), ... Sweden: Jinro, Morrow, Sjow, Naniwa, Haypro, Lalush, ... Ukraine: White-Ra, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok, (Bly), ... France: Adelscott, Sarens, Moman, ToD, (Stephano), ... Poland: Tarson, Mana, Diestar, Nerchio, ... Russia: BratOK, (Abver), ...
Then there are many countries with 1 or 2 top players (Demuslim, Cloud, Nightend, Killer, Naama, Fenix, Moonglade, Sen)
That's almost 50 names and I didn't include all the great players/legends/community people (Artosis, Grubby, Incontrol, Mondragon, ... ).
So which player from your country would you leave out for another Korean? That's the question. I would be happy if they invite one top Korean player for every group, but I don't want to see 20 Koreans and many Korean vs Korean games in the group stage, because we already have the GSL to watch.
On March 15 2011 23:48 Pokebunny wrote: ?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
Yeah, because Jinro etc all speak fluent korean while playing in the gsl, and they aren't in korea because of the cash (and fame of course)
Guess no one noticed my earlier post. In the interests of updating my list on page 51 so it can be copied into the first post....what's this guy's team?? Term attack?? Terminal attack?? Can't hear him clearly.
On March 16 2011 00:04 JackhammerIV wrote: Guess no one noticed my earlier post. In the interests of updating my list on page 51 so it can be copied into the first post....what's this guy's team?? Term attack?? Terminal attack?? Can't hear him clearly.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
They're not good at english, who the fuck cares? This is not a spelling competition, and i hope they don't pick players off of how funny or well planned their application was cause that would be retarded. And yes they want the money with as little effort as possible, who the hell doesn't?
Both yours and the NrG guys only agenda is to open up more spots to lesser players, so it's very hard to take your arguments seriously. If you want to watch good games you'll want koreans in the tournament since they have the best players, end of story.
On March 15 2011 23:48 Pokebunny wrote: ?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event.
Who expects any Korean progamers to speak fluent English? Koreans don't expect foreigners in Korea to communicate via fluent Korean. If they get in, I'm sure communication won't be problems as they will probably have translators handy.
On March 15 2011 23:48 Pokebunny wrote: They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible.
Every progamers want to win cash....whether as little effort as possible is debatable. Again, if they get accepted, I doubt they will compete with as little effort as possible. If they do place high with little effort as possible, that will be a one sad sad day for foreign SC2 world...
On March 16 2011 00:04 JackhammerIV wrote: Guess no one noticed my earlier post. In the interests of updating my list on page 51 so it can be copied into the first post....what's this guy's team?? Term attack?? Terminal attack?? Can't hear him clearly.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
says the guy that is criticizing the application video of KOREANS who put in the effort to do it in ENGLISH. of course they wrote down what they had to say. expecting them to memorize a 1 minute speech in a language they don't speak is absurd. asking them to come up with the answers on the spot would be plain stupid.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
Bashing Koreans that put effort into making an application in english to participate to a tournament is also particularly classy.
First of course they want to participate in the tournament for the money just the same for all the other players. However they are trying to make it understandable for everyone by doing it in english which is a nice touch. Also they have now an english nickname for every Korean progamer which is too a nice way to show that they care for the foreign scene as much. You're just throwing baseless accusations here to make them look bad.
On March 16 2011 00:04 JackhammerIV wrote: Guess no one noticed my earlier post. In the interests of updating my list on page 51 so it can be copied into the first post....what's this guy's team?? Term attack?? Terminal attack?? Can't hear him clearly.
I think it's team Thermaltake, which is a company that makes computer parts (cooling and cases mostly)
Unless they didn't update their member list on their site it shouldn't be Team Thermaltake that he's on. That or he changed names. No idea. Thanks anyways whether you turn out right or wrong. http://www.team-thermaltake.de/team/Star_Craft_II-4.html
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