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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 04:43:36
December 30 2010 17:35 GMT
#201
On December 30 2010 19:36 cyanide66 wrote:
you should really get rid of the ICCUP maps. just stick to the ladder maps. no one practices on ICCUP maps, and we shouldn't have to practice on them. just stick to the ladder maps, and lets hope blizzard will start coming out with more.


I totally agree, the iccup maps are garbage, don't add em in this beautiful league.
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Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
December 30 2010 19:12 GMT
#202
bias? because I have an opinion you disagree with?
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
December 30 2010 19:20 GMT
#203
Why doesn't ESEA sponsor the players plane tickets/transport costs for the lan finals? That way we won't have this debate about LAN vs online finals, because it's clear which one is better if money is not a problem - LAN/offline!!!

ESEA is super rich so they can definitely afford it. They get $7 a month from each user, and they have over 50,000 paying members last time I checked.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 30 2010 23:32 GMT
#204
On December 31 2010 01:46 dbizzle wrote:
As a pro gamer for cs for many years, one of the risks of gaming is paying to fly to other areas of the world and trying to win. It has always been expensive, and usually winning is something very rare that I had to think to myself "Am I really going to make money off this?" You have to think of gaming as a hobby, playing in this league for fun until it takes off and get bigger. In order for it to become big you need to invest into it and hope for a bigger future.

Personally, I will never stop gaming and going to gaming venues will always be a pleasure to me. I always go to it with the best intentions of winning, a lot of times I haven't even gotten close to winning. But the best experiences was traveling to that place and having fun. It's like a vacation, I've spent so much time and money in gaming that it's worth it to me to do this.

This is one of they reasons I spend 20 bucks per GSL ticket, I LOVE watching them play. If you don't want to risk 9 dollars to play, and to have a chance to maybe come to america and have a good time, I don't know what you're getting out of gaming. ESEA is one of the most promising North American leagues EVER, it has been around for at least 6 years and it is still growing. If there was to be a big lan event leagues like GSL or ESL, ESEA is on the right track.


so is that a yes or no ?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 30 2010 23:38 GMT
#205
For such a small prizepool I feel an online finals is justified. You're just testing the water now so why not let in a lot of the overseas teams to get the best feedback possible and make as many fans as you can early on?

Later when prizes are at least doubled you can think about offline finals and you will benefit from increased participation and interest for it. If sponsors demand a live event, make them pay for it.
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jkend20
Profile Joined August 2010
United States24 Posts
December 31 2010 04:01 GMT
#206
On December 31 2010 04:20 wxwx wrote:
Why doesn't ESEA sponsor the players plane tickets/transport costs for the lan finals? That way we won't have this debate about LAN vs online finals, because it's clear which one is better if money is not a problem - LAN/offline!!!

ESEA is super rich so they can definitely afford it. They get $7 a month from each user, and they have over 50,000 paying members last time I checked.


50,000 paying users?!?! where is my check representing that!?! haha

The premium numbers aren't quiteeeee that high. Actually not even that close lol.

And in the past teams have been helped getting to lan (not saying if sc2 is having one or not, that's not my place to say), with fronting the minimum placement prize money to pay for flights. We don't sponsor players plane tickets and transportation costs if they make it, because simply that's a ridiculous amount. 5 players per team on 6 CS 1.6 teams, 5 players on 4 CS:S teams, and 6 players on 4 TF2 teams. that's a minimum of 74 players you'd have to pay for their flights / hotel. Avg cost of flight? ~250 and 3 days in a hotel per team $300. So $1550 per team for CS 1.6 & CSS x 10 teams, +
~6300 for TF2 = $21800.

That's just a *rough* estimate.

"Wizard" - www.ESEA.net - League Coverage Coordinator
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 31 2010 04:04 GMT
#207
On December 31 2010 13:01 jkend20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 04:20 wxwx wrote:
Why doesn't ESEA sponsor the players plane tickets/transport costs for the lan finals? That way we won't have this debate about LAN vs online finals, because it's clear which one is better if money is not a problem - LAN/offline!!!

ESEA is super rich so they can definitely afford it. They get $7 a month from each user, and they have over 50,000 paying members last time I checked.


50,000 paying users?!?! where is my check representing that!?! haha

The premium numbers aren't quiteeeee that high. Actually not even that close lol.

And in the past teams have been helped getting to lan (not saying if sc2 is having one or not, that's not my place to say), with fronting the minimum placement prize money to pay for flights. We don't sponsor players plane tickets and transportation costs if they make it, because simply that's a ridiculous amount. 5 players per team on 6 CS 1.6 teams, 5 players on 4 CS:S teams, and 6 players on 4 TF2 teams. that's a minimum of 74 players you'd have to pay for their flights / hotel. Avg cost of flight? ~250 and 3 days in a hotel per team $300. So $1550 per team for CS 1.6 & CSS x 10 teams, +
~6300 for TF2 = $21800.

That's just a *rough* estimate.


And it's the exact reason most of us don't want a LAN final lol.
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dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
December 31 2010 04:39 GMT
#208
On December 31 2010 01:03 Achilles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 01:01 Numy wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:58 Achilles wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn


ESL generally has far larger prize pools and if there are lan finals then it is said before people sign up. Also believe ESL helps with travel? Or is that IEM. I think most peoples problem is that some teams have already signed up and now only being told that there could be a lan finals. Rather misleading.


for that reason it'll in all likelihood be an online finals, but next season there will be an increase in prize pool (this is a pilot league remember) and an offline final.

This is how they implimented CSS so I don't see them changing their MO

@ smokim: the difference is that everyone in this game seemingly wants a handout because I see plenty of 5+ player teams, playing for even less, travel to LANs. CS....CSS...COD..

I suppose my real question is: Why can they pay and we can't?

COD wise, in europe, people only go to the major events out of their pocket which come around once or twice a year(only americans to come to europe for cod came so with a ton of backing..EG/Pandemic/Pure), the rest are teams going with some form of backing to cover their costs, the reason americans in FPS games dont play ESL EU stuff is good luck playing someone with 100 more ping on a game where ping matters!
I just think the biggest problem most people seem to have with the league is just the fact that they didn't state the lan finals on initial announcement ^_^
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 31 2010 04:43 GMT
#209
On December 31 2010 13:39 dahornnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 01:03 Achilles wrote:
On December 31 2010 01:01 Numy wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:58 Achilles wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn


ESL generally has far larger prize pools and if there are lan finals then it is said before people sign up. Also believe ESL helps with travel? Or is that IEM. I think most peoples problem is that some teams have already signed up and now only being told that there could be a lan finals. Rather misleading.


for that reason it'll in all likelihood be an online finals, but next season there will be an increase in prize pool (this is a pilot league remember) and an offline final.

This is how they implimented CSS so I don't see them changing their MO

@ smokim: the difference is that everyone in this game seemingly wants a handout because I see plenty of 5+ player teams, playing for even less, travel to LANs. CS....CSS...COD..

I suppose my real question is: Why can they pay and we can't?

I just think the biggest problem most people seem to have with the league is just the fact that they didn't state the lan finals on initial announcement ^_^

Yeah it's like there's already an entry fee which is not overly cheap if you want more than the minimum participants but it's OK because the reward is adequate. Then there are additional expenses revealed!
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 09:47:55
January 01 2011 08:31 GMT
#210
[image loading] Terror Australis signed up and registered! Forget the LAN finals if we make it that far I'd be pretty happy and sort something out then!

Current TA Roster:
[image loading] Pinder
[image loading] deth
[image loading] EdgE
[image loading] Voices
[image loading] Smace
[image loading] SalvatioN
[image loading] spidereight

Current Registered Clans (23):
[image loading] LazarusGaming
[image loading] BLAST Sc2 USA
[image loading] Beatus Money Crew
[image loading] vVv GamingSC2
[image loading] Baneling Bust
[image loading] VT Gaming
[image loading] Chaos Factors
[image loading] Evil Geniuses SC2
[image loading] Terror Australis
[image loading] Crack Clan
[image loading] Revolution Sports SC2
[image loading] George Washington
[image loading] Complexity Gaming
[image loading] stoic Esports
[image loading] ROOT-Gaming
[image loading] Dynamic Gaming
[image loading] Micro Machines
[image loading] Stratyk B2B Gaming
[image loading] Seal Cub Clubbing Club
[image loading] Bunker Bums
[image loading] Requiem eSports
[image loading] FXopen Esports
[image loading] bronze 4 lyfe
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 01 2011 17:40 GMT
#211
I don't know if this answered but how are you guys charging the $9 fee? I have the blizzard license for when I ran SCL and it says you can't charge a fee to get in, unless theres another one you have.


Heres the license if anyones interested in reading over it.

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BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT
Date: November 3, 2010

To: Starcraft 2 League, www.scleague.net with an address at ************ (“You”)

Subject: Blizzard’s Approval of your request to host an online tournament

1. Grant of Tournament License. With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions: (a) The Tournament must be free to enter; (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament; (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors; (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less; (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason; (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea; and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament. You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation: (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”); (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules; (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament; (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder; and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices
2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks. Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to [email]pr@blizzard.com[/email].
3. Ownership. Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity. You hereby represent and warrant that: (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement; (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament; and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder. You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.
5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
6. Miscellaneous. All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 01 2011 17:42 GMT
#212
On December 31 2010 02:35 desrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2010 19:36 cyanide66 wrote:
you should really get rid of the ICCUP maps. just stick to the ladder maps. no one practices on ICCUP maps, and we shouldn't have to practice on them. just stick to the ladder maps, and lets hope blizzard will start coming out with more.


I totally agree, the iccup maps are garbage, don't add em in this beautiful league.


I'm sorry you don't enjoy good maps but their going in this league thank god ^^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 17:58:03
January 01 2011 17:57 GMT
#213
Kinda sad that neither teamliquid or fnatic registered for the team league, are you planning to or no, if not why?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 02 2011 19:15 GMT
#214
On January 01 2011 17:31 deL wrote:
[image loading] Terror Australis signed up and registered! Forget the LAN finals if we make it that far I'd be pretty happy and sort something out then!

Current TA Roster:
[image loading] Pinder
[image loading] deth
[image loading] EdgE
[image loading] Voices
[image loading] Smace
[image loading] SalvatioN
[image loading] spidereight

Current Registered Clans (23):
[image loading] LazarusGaming
[image loading] BLAST Sc2 USA
[image loading] Beatus Money Crew
[image loading] vVv GamingSC2
[image loading] Baneling Bust
[image loading] VT Gaming
[image loading] Chaos Factors
[image loading] Evil Geniuses SC2
[image loading] Terror Australis
[image loading] Crack Clan
[image loading] Revolution Sports SC2
[image loading] George Washington
[image loading] Complexity Gaming
[image loading] stoic Esports
[image loading] ROOT-Gaming
[image loading] Dynamic Gaming
[image loading] Micro Machines
[image loading] Stratyk B2B Gaming
[image loading] Seal Cub Clubbing Club
[image loading] Bunker Bums
[image loading] Requiem eSports
[image loading] FXopen Esports
[image loading] bronze 4 lyfe


that is one solid list of teams
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
January 03 2011 00:20 GMT
#215
On January 02 2011 02:40 nGBeast wrote:
I don't know if this answered but how are you guys charging the $9 fee? I have the blizzard license for when I ran SCL and it says you can't charge a fee to get in, unless theres another one you have.


Heres the license if anyones interested in reading over it.

+ Show Spoiler +

BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT
Date: November 3, 2010

To: Starcraft 2 League, www.scleague.net with an address at ************ (“You”)

Subject: Blizzard’s Approval of your request to host an online tournament

1. Grant of Tournament License. With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions: (a) The Tournament must be free to enter; (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament; (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors; (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less; (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason; (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea; and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament. You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation: (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”); (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules; (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament; (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder; and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices
2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks. Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to [email]pr@blizzard.com[/email].
3. Ownership. Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity. You hereby represent and warrant that: (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement; (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament; and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder. You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.
5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
6. Miscellaneous. All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.


I was wondering if anyone from ESEA could answer my question :o
Laurent
Profile Joined April 2009
United States182 Posts
January 03 2011 00:27 GMT
#216
There are 2 different licenses. Theres the one that you fill out on the website and then theres the one you have to negotiate directly with them.

MLG charges a fee, they even charge for spectators. How do you think Blizzard allowed that?
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
January 03 2011 00:31 GMT
#217
Obviously there's more than one license. Many tournaments charge for HD stream and as entry fee, some have more than 5k as prize pool.

The thing is that this license is pretty easy to get, you just have to make the requirement, I believe that to get the other one, you need a closer talk to the blizzard guys.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 03 2011 00:33 GMT
#218
On January 03 2011 09:20 nGBeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 02:40 nGBeast wrote:
I don't know if this answered but how are you guys charging the $9 fee? I have the blizzard license for when I ran SCL and it says you can't charge a fee to get in, unless theres another one you have.


Heres the license if anyones interested in reading over it.

+ Show Spoiler +

BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT
Date: November 3, 2010

To: Starcraft 2 League, www.scleague.net with an address at ************ (“You”)

Subject: Blizzard’s Approval of your request to host an online tournament

1. Grant of Tournament License. With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions: (a) The Tournament must be free to enter; (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament; (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors; (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less; (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason; (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea; and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament. You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation: (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”); (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules; (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament; (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder; and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices
2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks. Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to [email]pr@blizzard.com[/email].
3. Ownership. Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity. You hereby represent and warrant that: (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement; (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament; and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder. You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.
5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
6. Miscellaneous. All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.


I was wondering if anyone from ESEA could answer my question :o


because you run a small time league that few people care about and ESEA is a major eSports organization with an established history in North America.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 00:39:01
January 03 2011 00:35 GMT
#219
On January 03 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 09:20 nGBeast wrote:
On January 02 2011 02:40 nGBeast wrote:
I don't know if this answered but how are you guys charging the $9 fee? I have the blizzard license for when I ran SCL and it says you can't charge a fee to get in, unless theres another one you have.


Heres the license if anyones interested in reading over it.

+ Show Spoiler +

BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT
Date: November 3, 2010

To: Starcraft 2 League, www.scleague.net with an address at ************ (“You”)

Subject: Blizzard’s Approval of your request to host an online tournament

1. Grant of Tournament License. With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions: (a) The Tournament must be free to enter; (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament; (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors; (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less; (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason; (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea; and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament. You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation: (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”); (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules; (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament; (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder; and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices
2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks. Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to [email]pr@blizzard.com[/email].
3. Ownership. Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity. You hereby represent and warrant that: (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement; (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament; and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder. You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.
5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
6. Miscellaneous. All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.


I was wondering if anyone from ESEA could answer my question :o


because you run a small time league that few people care about and ESEA is a major eSports organization with an established history in North America.



Xeris hit it right on the nose. Companies like MLG, ESL, ESEA, etc have totally different contracts then the average person. SCL would not qualify for such a license obviously, but maybe with time.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
January 03 2011 00:43 GMT
#220
Just a reminder to all the partial teams that are signed up, the deadline is Jan 3rd! There're currently 27 full teams, please hurry if you want to have a spot in the league.
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