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cyanide66
Profile Joined September 2010
137 Posts
December 30 2010 10:36 GMT
#181
you should really get rid of the ICCUP maps. just stick to the ladder maps. no one practices on ICCUP maps, and we shouldn't have to practice on them. just stick to the ladder maps, and lets hope blizzard will start coming out with more.
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
December 30 2010 11:17 GMT
#182
I REALLY love the idea of offline finals (or final 6). There has been 1v1 tournaments like MLG or IEM, but clan leagues will be awesome to see :D
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 11:45:07
December 30 2010 11:44 GMT
#183
On December 30 2010 20:17 stalife wrote:
I REALLY love the idea of offline finals (or final 6). There has been 1v1 tournaments like MLG or IEM, but clan leagues will be awesome to see :D

Shut up it's a terrible idea! (unless they pay for flights )
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
December 30 2010 12:07 GMT
#184
The prize is only given to who attends the offline finals?
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
December 30 2010 13:15 GMT
#185
Yes, I think the prize is not large enough to have an offline final. Not because its a bad idea, but because (at least for fxopen) it will cost at least 10k to get the team there... I think other teams would be even more.

www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 30 2010 13:22 GMT
#186
On December 30 2010 19:36 cyanide66 wrote:
you should really get rid of the ICCUP maps. just stick to the ladder maps. no one practices on ICCUP maps, and we shouldn't have to practice on them. just stick to the ladder maps, and lets hope blizzard will start coming out with more.


Yea let's sit around doing nothing and whine about there being shitty maps. Hoping for someone else to fix your problem is never going to work. Time to take action.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 15:20:54
December 30 2010 15:20 GMT
#187
On December 30 2010 09:14 dbizzle wrote:
The offline finals are still in the talks, ESEA is known for having lan finals for their invite divisions of 1.6 and source. We need to figure out the details regarding the venue, costs etc... but stay tuned, the official map list will be posted here soon!!

I don't think any of the teams that have signed up for your tour are considering an airfare budget to participate in the finals. It's kind of misleading not to have mentioned this possibility in the OP.

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Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 15:24:04
December 30 2010 15:22 GMT
#188
teams that don't want to pay don't want to play. if they aren't north american then don't play in a north american league. seems simple enough for me
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
December 30 2010 15:44 GMT
#189
this mentality will keep the gaming community split and uncompetitive. Not to mention there are a fair few NA players in korea at the moment.. Thats a 2k flight right there per player..
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
December 30 2010 15:48 GMT
#190
I don't see how it's different than any other game.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
December 30 2010 15:55 GMT
#191
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
December 30 2010 15:57 GMT
#192
Don't get me wrong. I love the idea. But its impossible to justify from a business point of view. Even US based teams will struggle because it isn't cheap to fly 5 guys from say NY to LA... It is unjustified from all points of view imo.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 30 2010 15:58 GMT
#193
basicly it goes like this

No Lan finals = NA, EU and SEA teams can participate

Lan Finals = only NA teams wants to participate for the reasons FXOpen, Nazgul and Dahornn mention

i'm pretty sure the NA only teams wouldn't go to Europe/Asia too if the finals would be there, trust me everyone LOVES and prefers a lan finals, but for the prize of flying your whole team + the prize pool it can't really work

lucky ESEA seems to be flexible with what the community/teams prefers
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 16:01:29
December 30 2010 15:58 GMT
#194
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn

that being said it'll probably be online anyways
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
December 30 2010 16:00 GMT
#195
Yeah, I think that LAN stuff must be like a isolated event, not the finals of an online one. I don't think it is a good idea.

And, I mean, people are paying without being sure if there will be or not a lan final. I believe that even some top teams can't pay people to go anywhere they want.
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
December 30 2010 16:01 GMT
#196
On December 31 2010 00:58 SmoKim wrote:
basicly it goes like this

No Lan finals = NA, EU and SEA teams can participate

Lan Finals = only NA teams wants to participate for the reasons FXOpen, Nazgul and Dahornn mention

i'm pretty sure the NA only teams wouldn't go to Europe/Asia too if the finals would be there, trust me everyone LOVES and prefers a lan finals, but for the prize of flying your whole team + the prize pool it can't really work

lucky ESEA seems to be flexible with what the community/teams prefers



And like, even some NA teams might not go, NA is pretty big, lol
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 16:02:42
December 30 2010 16:01 GMT
#197
On December 31 2010 00:58 Achilles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn


ESL generally has far larger prize pools and if there are lan finals then it is said before people sign up. Also believe ESL helps with travel? Or is that IEM. I think most peoples problem is that some teams have already signed up and now only being told that there could be a lan finals. Rather misleading.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 30 2010 16:02 GMT
#198
On December 31 2010 00:58 Achilles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn

that being said it'll probably be online anyways


there is a BIG difference between ESL lan finals for 1v1 individual players, and a Team tournament finals with 4-10 people
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 16:11:28
December 30 2010 16:03 GMT
#199
On December 31 2010 01:01 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 00:58 Achilles wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:55 dahornnn wrote:
On December 31 2010 00:48 Achilles wrote:
I don't see how it's different than any other game.

Other games in NA leagues dont have players participating in it from europe...
If you are going to have LAN finals you should have stated possibility when talk first came of the event, if you run LAN finals after teams from abroad that would never see any point in sending a team to lan finals for a small prizepot then IMO its a kinda retarded move
my2c


Translated: Nevermind all of the ESL LAN finals that North Americans can't attend and let's criticize NA leagues for doing the same

just saying that it's not a big deal. people here just love making mountains out of mole hills. Too many pretending that people aren't going to flood the league with registration just because some teams can't participate, the fees are too "high", maps "suck", etc. yawny yawn yawn


ESL generally has far larger prize pools and if there are lan finals then it is said before people sign up. Also believe ESL helps with travel? Or is that IEM. I think most peoples problem is that some teams have already signed up and now only being told that there could be a lan finals. Rather misleading.


for that reason it'll in all likelihood be an online finals, but next season there will be an increase in prize pool (this is a pilot league remember) and an offline final.

This is how they implimented CSS so I don't see them changing their MO

@ smokim: the difference is that everyone in this game seemingly wants a handout because I see plenty of 5+ player teams, playing for even less, travel to LANs. CS....CSS...COD..

I suppose my real question is: Why can they pay and we can't?
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
December 30 2010 16:46 GMT
#200
As a pro gamer for cs for many years, one of the risks of gaming is paying to fly to other areas of the world and trying to win. It has always been expensive, and usually winning is something very rare that I had to think to myself "Am I really going to make money off this?" You have to think of gaming as a hobby, playing in this league for fun until it takes off and get bigger. In order for it to become big you need to invest into it and hope for a bigger future.

Personally, I will never stop gaming and going to gaming venues will always be a pleasure to me. I always go to it with the best intentions of winning, a lot of times I haven't even gotten close to winning. But the best experiences was traveling to that place and having fun. It's like a vacation, I've spent so much time and money in gaming that it's worth it to me to do this.

This is one of they reasons I spend 20 bucks per GSL ticket, I LOVE watching them play. If you don't want to risk 9 dollars to play, and to have a chance to maybe come to america and have a good time, I don't know what you're getting out of gaming. ESEA is one of the most promising North American leagues EVER, it has been around for at least 6 years and it is still growing. If there was to be a big lan event leagues like GSL or ESL, ESEA is on the right track.
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