EPTzenio's a good replacement tho
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
zenio's a good replacement tho | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:02 zor.au wrote: Actually if you notice the time between when he had hydralisk den up and the time he built hydras is huge. He kept droning..... Defiantly game 1 he dug his own grave as you said with not dealing with the overseers. Overseers contaminate is ranged, and they regen hp. They are not easy to kill unless you have a lot of hydras. Other than that, defending his ramp was top priority. If he kept too many hydra in the back, he would lose the front. He could always inject between corruptions. What lost him the game was losing like 5-10 drones to the first roach group. The second battle also had too many roaches Zenios 20 roach + 10 hydra > 10 roach + 20 hydra Hydra are just trash units if anything ever hits them  | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:16 Fa1nT wrote: Overseers contaminate is ranged, and they regen hp. They are not easy to kill unless you have a lot of hydras. Other than that, defending his ramp was top priority. If he kept too many hydra in the back, he would lose the front. He could always inject between corruptions. What lost him the game was losing like 5-10 drones to the first roach group. The second battle also had too many roaches Zenios 20 roach + 10 hydra > 10 roach + 20 hydra Hydra are just trash units if anything ever hits them I believe that contaminate is either range 3 or range 2, but it's not more than 3. You have to get pretty damn close to the building to contaminate it. | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
idrA just got caught off guard by a couple of timing attacks vs Zenio. ZvZ is such a fragile matchup that one slip-up causes you the game. ZvZ seems to have a huge advantage to the aggressor from what I've seen and played. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:16 Fa1nT wrote: Overseers contaminate is ranged, and they regen hp. They are not easy to kill unless you have a lot of hydras. Other than that, defending his ramp was top priority. If he kept too many hydra in the back, he would lose the front. He could always inject between corruptions. What lost him the game was losing like 5-10 drones to the first roach group. The second battle also had too many roaches Zenios 20 roach + 10 hydra > 10 roach + 20 hydra Hydra are just trash units if anything ever hits them I think what lost him the first game was not guarding the ramp, that was a humongous blunder and I doubt anyone could have recovered from that against someone as good as Zenio. The second game was pure garbage I don't like how fast he tapped out, yea I know that he couldn't have survived that attack but at least put up a fight. | ||
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zor.au
Australia270 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:16 Fa1nT wrote: Overseers contaminate is ranged, and they regen hp. They are not easy to kill unless you have a lot of hydras. Other than that, defending his ramp was top priority. If he kept too many hydra in the back, he would lose the front. He could always inject between corruptions. What lost him the game was losing like 5-10 drones to the first roach group. The second battle also had too many roaches Zenios 20 roach + 10 hydra > 10 roach + 20 hydra Hydra are just trash units if anything ever hits them The overseers got low from queens, imagine if he had hydralisks earlier... As someone else mentioned they actually have to get real close to the hatchery. Yes him not guarding the ramp cost him but he was already behind, and that secured the game. As for the last push, Idra had no1 near as many units as Zenio | ||
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Doraemon.doraemon
United States335 Posts
Idra's macro and reactionary style doesn't suit zvz that well | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On October 29 2010 07:35 Optimism wrote: Well I dunno about taking out SangHo, but I agree he's been the surprise of the tournament. SangHo is a very strong player and fake Boxer will have a difficult time beating him (not saying it won't happen, because it can). I do remember though how so many people here were having a blast bashing fake Boxer as a terrible, terrible player who doesn't even deserve to compete in GSL based on a couple of games they've seen him play, and this was only a few days ago. I've even seen posts saying they were angry that such terrible player was in the tournament when players like Artosis and Tasteless are not. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to form such strong opinions on players that way. | ||
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
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zor.au
Australia270 Posts
On October 29 2010 12:14 Sein wrote: . I've even seen posts saying they were angry that such terrible player was in the tournament when players like Artosis and Tasteless are not. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to form such strong opinions on players that way. Usually it starts with people like Artosis and Tasteless baging the players out in the cast because they play a bad 1 or 2 games(but not knowing on how good they actually are). Kyrix was another good example of this. | ||
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firefistAce
United States137 Posts
On October 29 2010 08:05 happyness wrote: which you have to pay money for (only game 1 of a series is free). I'm thinking I better just get a ticket in the future, though, because GSL is really screwing up my schedule :D. 4 AM is an hour after bedtime, and that's when the GSL starts. there is a site to watch em, but i wont say cause i dont want to be banned or something. However I agree its more fun to watch live. | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
I'm in awe of Nada's play in game 2, the build and his ability to macro is just sublime. I've watched that game three times now and have been playing around with that build against the AI. I just love the Terran mech and it's so good to see a player making it work at the top level. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Balor
United States147 Posts
How come I have none of my zerg heroes left?.. guess its time to hop on the Zenio train.. also looking forward to wind's games.. Mainly rooting for Terrans now.. fml lol... gogo real boxer and Nada! I cant believe IdrA diddnt block his ramp completely in g1.. its so ez to set up an awesome arc, with spinecrawler her couldve easily held... and hydras wernt even doing thier job of keeping the ovis away... sigh. I wonder if Zenios build will show up in NA, seems Artosis has played agiasnt it multiple times on the korean ladder. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On October 29 2010 12:34 Balor wrote: IdrA =( How come I have none of my zerg heroes left?.. guess its time to hop on the Zenio train.. also looking forward to wind's games.. Mainly rooting for Terrans now.. fml lol... gogo real boxer and Nada! I cant believe IdrA diddnt block his ramp completely in g1.. its so ez to set up an awesome arc, with spinecrawler her couldve easily held... and hydras wernt even doing thier job of keeping the ovis away... sigh. I wonder if Zenios build will show up in NA, seems Artosis has played agiasnt it multiple times on the korean ladder. imagine how us protoss fans feel.... | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On October 29 2010 10:41 Ocedic wrote: Though calling them terrible is certainly an exaggeration, I have no sympathy for them because everyone cheers for them here. Sorry but TLO and Idra are not the best players in the world. They are great, but the level of bias in these threads warrants people bringing the rabid fanboys back down to earth when reality kicks in. I think you mean the level of overrating, of course everyone here is going to be biased for them, this is a foreign SC2 forum and they are the only two western foreign players in the GSL. Are you going to go over to some Chinese SC2 forum and go "MAN YOU GUYS ARE TOTALLY BIASED FOR LONER LOL"? I really doubt anyone will go ahead and claim they're the best players in the world (although I've heard Idra being toted as the best foreign player quite a bit, and no matter how much you might dislike him that's a pretty valid claim), but of course people are going to root for them even when objectively they're going up against better players. On October 29 2010 12:14 Sein wrote: SangHo is a very strong player and fake Boxer will have a difficult time beating him (not saying it won't happen, because it can). I do remember though how so many people here were having a blast bashing fake Boxer as a terrible, terrible player who doesn't even deserve to compete in GSL based on a couple of games they've seen him play, and this was only a few days ago. I've even seen posts saying they were angry that such terrible player was in the tournament when players like Artosis and Tasteless are not. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to form such strong opinions on players that way. Did you see his first match? It was pretty bad, even for a Ro64 match. Whether he just didn't have a gameplan like he did for FD or he was trying to hide how good he really was so FD would underestimate him, he played like a completely different person that match than he did against FD. For the people who haven't seen him play on the ladder, of course they're going to judge him based on that match alone, what else do they have to judge him with? And of course people on TL are going to be biased for Artosis, a western foreign SC2 player and TL-goer. I really doubt he is going to take out SangHo though, he mostly defeated FD through developing a specific strategy aimed at FD's weaknesses, and SangHo is probably the most balanced and reactionary player we've seen thus far aside from maybe Tester. | ||
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Denarius Jay
42 Posts
Heh, was thinking the same thing. I'm looking at page 1 and its just all ZvZ and TvZ. Protoss is my most played race, and its disappointing to see what should be a powerhouse race get so man handled in the GSL. Maybe blizzard will help us out, maybe not. | ||
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