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Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
October 28 2010 22:27 GMT
#221
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.
That boys a monster
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
October 28 2010 22:28 GMT
#222
On October 29 2010 07:27 Cade)Flayer wrote:
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On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.

I'm quite sure you can.
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
October 28 2010 22:28 GMT
#223
On October 29 2010 07:22 JJEOS wrote:
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On October 29 2010 07:20 Brutus wrote:
Why does everyone keep saying that ret should had ended it earlier? What could he do? He was forced to let him mine out, and keep switching between blord and ultralisk to make the vikings or tanks useless. He played it out perfectly imo.

You don't attack into PF's tanks and Thors over and over and over. He tried drops a couple times but dropping 32 zerglings into a base 30mins into the game is pointless.


You are clueless. So you are saying that he should just never attack and let qxc take base after base? He denied alot of expos. And you think its better to have just corrupters instead of broodlords? Because thats what he did, free up supply for broodlords.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 28 2010 22:28 GMT
#224
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol


Ret, don't listen to the masses, you're a cool player and definitely deserved your hard-fought win. No game is perfect (unless you're Flash or JD)
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 22:29:25
October 28 2010 22:29 GMT
#225
About the metalopolis game ret, why didn't you roam with your mutas closer to your 6'o clock gold that got killed like 4 times? It was always like a small m&m squad that kept killing your hatcheries while you were up around between the mains with your mutas.

I mean you have the creep spread + OLs for the rest of the map but at this one position you were in the dark in terms of intel, so why not keep units closer to that "high risk" expo?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
October 28 2010 22:29 GMT
#226
On October 29 2010 07:25 Ai52487963 wrote:
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On October 29 2010 07:21 Liquid`Ret wrote:
im not sure how i was supposed to finish it? maybe theres some secret things that units can do in sc2 that i didnt find out yet but mass tanks + mass viking + mass pdd + PF in near vinicity is pretty unkillable lol


When qxc started pumping the vikings, I kept looking for the production tab for more ultras.

Also, do you think using mutas and infestors been a better way to attack at the mass vikings than corruptors?


But still, epic series, amazing game 7, gg and gratz to both! So entertaining!


Point of making corruptors is not to kill vikings, it is to force terran to build vikings, In case terran stops building vikings you just switch to broodords. If zerg doesn't build corruptors terran will roll over him with 3/3 mech army.
Its grack
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
October 28 2010 22:29 GMT
#227
Regardless, its because QxC is very solid, and it's not easy to break a turtling terran who basically has all chokes and air covered. What fruit dealer did in situations like that in the gsl is to make a counter attack in the form of say a nydus warm or drop elsewhere. He would Take advantage of the immobility of mech.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
October 28 2010 22:29 GMT
#228
On October 29 2010 07:28 vyyye wrote:
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On October 29 2010 07:27 Cade)Flayer wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.

I'm quite sure you can.

Go and try it in a game then. That's what I just did, before I made my post
That boys a monster
CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 22:30:43
October 28 2010 22:29 GMT
#229
On October 29 2010 07:28 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 07:27 Cade)Flayer wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.

I'm quite sure you can.


You can i think. They re-enabled it in a patch some time ago.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 22:31:24
October 28 2010 22:31 GMT
#230
On October 29 2010 07:29 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
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On October 29 2010 07:28 vyyye wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:27 Cade)Flayer wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.

I'm quite sure you can.


You can i think. They re-enabled it in a patch some time ago.


I think you are talking about feedback. I don't remember any notes about NP but could be mistaken.
PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
October 28 2010 22:31 GMT
#231
even if you can't get the pdds you can get the ravens before they layout all of their pdds, and use them to make you own pdds. just read this in teamliquid.wiki here is the quote
"If you Neural Parasite an Overseer, Sentry, Infestor or Raven, all the Changelings, Infested Terrans, Hallucinations, Point Defence Drones and Auto-turrets you create will remain yours after the NP."
Mrbustanut
Profile Joined May 2010
121 Posts
October 28 2010 22:31 GMT
#232
On October 29 2010 07:23 adeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 07:21 Liquid`Ret wrote:
im not sure how i was supposed to finish it? maybe theres some secret things that units can do in sc2 that i didnt find out yet but mass tanks + mass viking + mass pdd + PF in near vinicity is pretty unkillable lol


Yeah it's a problem, but maybe you couldve took advantage of the tank immobility by doing a massive drop where his production buildings were. And less encounters in the chokes and just wait til the turtle terran moves out to do a counter attack elsewhere forcing him to move his slow immobile army back.


With sensor towers this is really hard. Ret tried to massive drops both of which were utterly destroyed as QXC saw them coming and had turrets and vikings ready.
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
October 28 2010 22:31 GMT
#233
On October 29 2010 07:29 adeezy wrote:
Regardless, its because QxC is very solid, and it's not easy to break a turtling terran who basically has all chokes and air covered. What fruit dealer did in situations like that in the gsl is to make a counter attack in the form of say a nydus warm or drop elsewhere. He would Take advantage of the immobility of mech.


Oh come on, did you even watch? He had sensor towers and a massive viking fleet, how can you possible drop, let alone make a nydus?
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
October 28 2010 22:32 GMT
#234
On October 29 2010 07:29 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 07:28 vyyye wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:27 Cade)Flayer wrote:
On October 29 2010 07:23 Liquid`Ret wrote:
oh yeah np'ing pdd's, yeah u can all flame me then I didnt even know that was possible. this was the first time in my short lived sc2 carreer i ended up in a situation like that lol

You can't NP PDD because they are buildings.

I'm quite sure you can.


You can i think. They re-enabled it in a patch some time ago.

Incorrect. Blizz changed it so that you can Feedback PDD again but you can't NP them still.
That boys a monster
Midnight70
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9 Posts
October 28 2010 22:32 GMT
#235
Wow such awesome defense! I had no idea pdd works against corruptors, both players were so entertaining to watch.
Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
October 28 2010 22:33 GMT
#236
On October 29 2010 07:31 Brutus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 07:29 adeezy wrote:
Regardless, its because QxC is very solid, and it's not easy to break a turtling terran who basically has all chokes and air covered. What fruit dealer did in situations like that in the gsl is to make a counter attack in the form of say a nydus warm or drop elsewhere. He would Take advantage of the immobility of mech.


Oh come on, did you even watch? He had sensor towers and a massive viking fleet, how can you possible drop, let alone make a nydus?

i lold at the nydus. i dont think there was a inch off space for a nydus in the terran space let alot let it be up for more than 2 seconds.
CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
October 28 2010 22:33 GMT
#237
wonder why qxc didn't go battlecruisers... he had a viking advantage for most of the late game, so wouldn't bc + viking combo work? or was it just because he was so out-resourced?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 22:35:09
October 28 2010 22:33 GMT
#238
Honestly I think Ret had the right idea. Just take the map and ram into that T defence over and over again. It will take awhile but you will win eventually. Key is just to keep your expos while denying him and keeping his force on defence. When the pressure was off for even a second Qxc started to deny Ret expansions. This almost led to Qxc coming back.

Zerg isn't called the swarm for nothing.

On October 29 2010 07:33 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
wonder why qxc didn't go battlecruisers... he had a viking advantage for most of the late game, so wouldn't bc + viking combo work? or was it just because he was so out-resourced?


He basically had 1 mining base most of the late game. He just didn't have enough gas to sink into anything but vikings/tanks. If he did try go anything more gas intensive I think he would have fell.
Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
October 28 2010 22:34 GMT
#239
On October 29 2010 07:33 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
wonder why qxc didn't go battlecruisers... he had a viking advantage for most of the late game, so wouldn't bc + viking combo work? or was it just because he was so out-resourced?

corrupters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> battle cruisers and he cant afford many bc as well as vikings.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
October 28 2010 22:35 GMT
#240
Yup, I think a nydus or even a double nydus would've been really sick. However, the 50 minute long game was intense as shit.
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