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SC2Casts.com KOTH #5 Ret vs QXC - Page 14

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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4523 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 01:42:12
October 29 2010 01:39 GMT
#261
drops are impossible vs 3 sensor towers 10+ vikings.. 200/200 ultra army is OK...but on those close positions there is the constant pressure of being pushed with tanks..if i lose my 200/200 ultra army once..no matter how many minerals i have i lose my main and all my tech structures...because ultras take 5 years to build..so ya. not really a great option, and i did make quite a few ultras... and took out a pf with them. Broodlord/corrupter is the only army mix that is most likely to give you an advantadge over terran in a maxed vs maxed situation...and broodlords are the only reason why qxc couldnt push out with his mass tanks...after watching the rep i think i played it out pretty well..only mistakes being at 1-1 air upgrades and not takin the base behind my main
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
October 29 2010 01:46 GMT
#262
Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ret and qxc Interesting to hear from both of you about the games, and thanks for the excellent entertainment!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 29 2010 02:10 GMT
#263
On October 29 2010 10:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
drops are impossible vs 3 sensor towers 10+ vikings.. 200/200 ultra army is OK...but on those close positions there is the constant pressure of being pushed with tanks..if i lose my 200/200 ultra army once..no matter how many minerals i have i lose my main and all my tech structures...because ultras take 5 years to build..so ya. not really a great option, and i did make quite a few ultras... and took out a pf with them. Broodlord/corrupter is the only army mix that is most likely to give you an advantadge over terran in a maxed vs maxed situation...and broodlords are the only reason why qxc couldnt push out with his mass tanks...after watching the rep i think i played it out pretty well..only mistakes being at 1-1 air upgrades and not takin the base behind my main

LOL yeah me and slush were like wow ret hate expos behind base, it's like u had forgotten about it, both the one in ur main and the one to the right but anyway u prob would have lacked drones for all of these
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
October 29 2010 02:13 GMT
#264
Maybe if Ret has some time, he would wanna do a co-cast with me sometime on a few of these games, to go over his thought process and his take on the games!
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Dimenus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States157 Posts
October 29 2010 03:35 GMT
#265
can't wait for the VoDs of this apparently awesome series (which i missed while being at work QQ)
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? - John Maynard Keynes
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
October 29 2010 06:12 GMT
#266
On October 29 2010 12:35 Dimenus wrote:
can't wait for the VoDs of this apparently awesome series (which i missed while being at work QQ)


Unfortunately vods will not be up by tomorrow...epic fail on my part, as I normally don't do many co-casts, fraps did not record Skype, so the commentary is completely one sided. I will have to recast the games :-(
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
October 29 2010 06:14 GMT
#267
Anyone have any idea when the replay pack is coming out? I really love some of the builds QXC performed.
Writer@joonjoewong
JollYRoGeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden342 Posts
October 29 2010 06:37 GMT
#268
good games and good casting. but try to get better at the game and use the minimap, if you look at the minimap it's easy to spot multiple attacks or drops. ret so good <3
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
October 29 2010 07:08 GMT
#269
On October 29 2010 15:37 JollYRoGeR wrote:if you look at the minimap it's easy to spot multiple attacks or drops.

Somehow I doubt that at this level of play they really need to be tipped about this
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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
October 29 2010 07:10 GMT
#270
pretty sure hes giving tips to the casters
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10912 Posts
October 29 2010 07:13 GMT
#271
It's common knowledge that most casters don't have a Minimap in their SC2 version...
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 17:05:10
October 29 2010 09:05 GMT
#272
You are a retard. Throughout the WHOLE series, I was staring at the minimap. I've heard this complaint before, which is fine. Today I tried having a co-caster, so that I could observe more and talk less, to work on my casting skills as a whole and improve based on feedback. In my defense, it's kind of hard to show you guys 2 things at once during a live game. On multiple occasions I'd point out there was multiple attacks happening, but I'd make a judgement call on which seemed more important. If you don't like it, then maybe you should be satisfied with having replays casted instead of live events, or do it yourself.

People need to realize that in order to catch all the action, you'd pretty much need to be in first person view. Their camera moves around 5x faster than ours, so that you ungrateful viewers don't get seizures.

I like constructive criticism, but I'm tired of missing 1-2 drops in a bo7 series, filled with professionals playing at 150+ apm, and having the minimap garbage thrown in my face. This series was jam packed full of action and back and forth attacks, so something may go unnoticed because we are busy showing you 30 banelings destroying 2 tanks and 30 marines. Deal with it or don't watch. For now I'm going to keep donating my time casting events that high profile casters don't have the spare time to do, so that esports as a community can grow.

Replays will be released soon.
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
October 29 2010 09:27 GMT
#273
On October 29 2010 18:05 Schickysc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 16:13 Velr wrote:
It's common knowledge that most casters don't have a Minimap in their SC2 version...


You are a retard. Throughout the WHOLE series, I was staring at the minimap. I've heard this complaint before, which is fine. Today I tried having a co-caster, so that I could observe more and talk less, to work on my casting skills as a whole and improve based on feedback. In my defense, it's kind of hard to show you guys 2 things at once during a live game. On multiple occasions I'd point out there was multiple attacks happening, but I'd make a judgement call on which seemed more important. If you don't like it, then maybe you should be satisfied with having replays casted instead of live events, or do it yourself.

People need to realize that in order to catch all the action, you'd pretty much need to be in first person view. Their camera moves around 5x faster than ours, so that you ungrateful viewers don't get seizures.

I like constructive criticism, but I'm tired of missing 1-2 drops in a bo7 series, filled with professionals playing at 150+ apm, and having the minimap garbage thrown in my face. This series was jam packed full of action and back and forth attacks, so something may go unnoticed because we are busy showing you 30 banelings destroying 2 tanks and 30 marines. Deal with it or don't watch. For now I'm going to keep donating my time casting events that high profile casters don't have the spare time to do, so that esports as a community can grow.


Don't call people retarded when they are right, some off the things you missed in game 3 was out right. Like qxc's gold disappearing off the map for instance while your talking about nothing in the middle off the map.

That post made you seem like a little whining baby. You cast you're gonna have all the stuff you done wrong pointed out no need to be a bitch about it. Or should I put it in terms you would say deal with it or don't cast.

Deal with it or don't watch, do it yourself. Don't reply to people who don't give you good feedback especially with saying such silly stuff.
magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
October 29 2010 09:36 GMT
#274
I really like KOTH, makes for some great games, but the commentators are pretty bad. Actually I know most of my friends end up muting it but I dislike that even more. The worst thing imo is the fact they lack a lot of knowledge about the game and keep critizing the pro's for their decisions.
Let me give an example;
At one point ret moved his ultralisks in this heap of siege tanks / thors / missile turrets / etc, THEN attackmoved. This is to avoid 2-3 ultralisks doing damage and the rest being blocked by them. Its a very commonly and important action which you'll whenever you have a lot of melee units (with Zerglings this is done always aswell). The commentator goes wild "oh no ret what are you doing, he had it on move command".

Basically the commentators should play more on higher level their selves, or stick to the actual shoutcasting and leave the analyzing part behind.
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
October 29 2010 09:40 GMT
#275
On October 29 2010 18:05 Schickysc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 16:13 Velr wrote:
It's common knowledge that most casters don't have a Minimap in their SC2 version...


You are a retard. Throughout the WHOLE series, I was staring at the minimap. I've heard this complaint before, which is fine. Today I tried having a co-caster, so that I could observe more and talk less, to work on my casting skills as a whole and improve based on feedback. In my defense, it's kind of hard to show you guys 2 things at once during a live game. On multiple occasions I'd point out there was multiple attacks happening, but I'd make a judgement call on which seemed more important. If you don't like it, then maybe you should be satisfied with having replays casted instead of live events, or do it yourself.

People need to realize that in order to catch all the action, you'd pretty much need to be in first person view. Their camera moves around 5x faster than ours, so that you ungrateful viewers don't get seizures.

I like constructive criticism, but I'm tired of missing 1-2 drops in a bo7 series, filled with professionals playing at 150+ apm, and having the minimap garbage thrown in my face. This series was jam packed full of action and back and forth attacks, so something may go unnoticed because we are busy showing you 30 banelings destroying 2 tanks and 30 marines. Deal with it or don't watch. For now I'm going to keep donating my time casting events that high profile casters don't have the spare time to do, so that esports as a community can grow.

Hey Shicky! Don't even give these trolls the time o' the day! They aren't doing 1/100th of what you're doin for the community. And when they can do the said 1/100th i.e. giving constructive criticism, they go ahead and troll anyway, so....
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 09:42:13
October 29 2010 09:41 GMT
#276
On October 29 2010 10:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
drops are impossible vs 3 sensor towers 10+ vikings.. 200/200 ultra army is OK...but on those close positions there is the constant pressure of being pushed with tanks..if i lose my 200/200 ultra army once..no matter how many minerals i have i lose my main and all my tech structures...because ultras take 5 years to build..so ya. not really a great option, and i did make quite a few ultras... and took out a pf with them. Broodlord/corrupter is the only army mix that is most likely to give you an advantadge over terran in a maxed vs maxed situation...and broodlords are the only reason why qxc couldnt push out with his mass tanks...after watching the rep i think i played it out pretty well..only mistakes being at 1-1 air upgrades and not takin the base behind my main



Yeah but if you had neural in a couple of those shoves into the 9 oclock gold (or even his outside natural) and grabbed a few of those tanks/thors, it could've gone a lot differently. I just don't see why, off 5 base, you wouldn't get the 100/100 upgrade that pays dividends in situations like this.

Good play nonetheless.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
October 29 2010 09:45 GMT
#277
@Shicky

My only complain is the miss of finall baneling bust of that base in last game. Which is kind of funny cause Scan had selected that PF ^^ so we saw how quickly it went down. Well if we think about it more its also a fail part on Scan's end (sorry scan) he should just take control back in such circumstances so we would see action and not a main army of ret resting outside qxc main base
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 10:02:59
October 29 2010 10:02 GMT
#278
On October 29 2010 18:27 Maaku wrote:
Don't call people retarded when they are right, some off the things you missed in game 3 was out right. Like qxc's gold disappearing off the map for instance while your talking about nothing in the middle off the map.

That post made you seem like a little whining baby. You cast you're gonna have all the stuff you done wrong pointed out no need to be a bitch about it. Or should I put it in terms you would say deal with it or don't cast.

Deal with it or don't watch, do it yourself. Don't reply to people who don't give you good feedback especially with saying such silly stuff.


LOL @ You, troll. How can you even complain when you have facts wrong? Game 3 was on xelnaga caverns, and QXC never even TRIED to expand to the gold, in fact he didn't even destory the rocks. The moment he tried to take his third, muta's denied it, and we showed it. Clearly you are just complaining to be rude. This just reverts back to the constructive criticism point.
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 29 2010 10:26 GMT
#279
On October 29 2010 19:02 Schickysc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 18:27 Maaku wrote:
Don't call people retarded when they are right, some off the things you missed in game 3 was out right. Like qxc's gold disappearing off the map for instance while your talking about nothing in the middle off the map.

That post made you seem like a little whining baby. You cast you're gonna have all the stuff you done wrong pointed out no need to be a bitch about it. Or should I put it in terms you would say deal with it or don't cast.

Deal with it or don't watch, do it yourself. Don't reply to people who don't give you good feedback especially with saying such silly stuff.


LOL @ You, troll. How can you even complain when you have facts wrong? Game 3 was on xelnaga caverns, and QXC never even TRIED to expand to the gold, in fact he didn't even destory the rocks. The moment he tried to take his third, muta's denied it, and we showed it. Clearly you are just complaining to be rude. This just reverts back to the constructive criticism point.


I don't think you missed too much, casts were ok. I just don't recommend following anoher obs camera, it makes the screen jerk around alot more and you can't see the building the other obs selects.
this game is a fucking jokie
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 29 2010 11:32 GMT
#280
replays please ?
Please ? Or at least a "we will release/not release replays ?"
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