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Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
October 23 2010 04:08 GMT
#7381
cant wait to watch more Boxer games in the gsl.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 23 2010 04:08 GMT
#7382
On October 23 2010 13:05 YyapSsap wrote:
Boxer's macro was fine in that game (both games actually). If you guys haven't noticed, his units were constantly being pumped out as many as it can. But the thing with Z is that because of the larvae inject, you have 6~10 units (or a little more, say 5rax/3 facts) for T being reinforced as opposed to 40+ units coming from Z each wave.

So im guessing boxer got a little to anxious after winning that straight up fight at the gold from multiple fronts. Most Ts, including myself do make a mistake of over pushing which boxer did (it would work in BW btw since the amount of reinforcements from Z is literally cut in half or more). He should have regathered his forces for another push.



Maybe because a 100 terran army vs a 100 zerg army should survive with at least 50 left if microed correctly and they don't need as much reinforcements?

thats how zerg works, herp derp.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 23 2010 04:08 GMT
#7383
On October 23 2010 13:04 Grack wrote:
the truth is all games vs zerg look like race against time, u cant rly play long games because he will outmacro and rape you, thats not rly fun or healthy approach to the game, i wish blizzard tweaked this aspect so every race could enjoy fair macro game like in bw.

you cant just tweak it tough, its one of the basic fundamentals of the zerg race
hatch/lair/hive=production.
You might aswell make anther game to change that.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
October 23 2010 04:08 GMT
#7384
On October 23 2010 13:01 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:57 MrSexington wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:54 imJealous wrote:
You can Rewind the stream! the green bar along the bottom of the screen is a bar you can click on to rewind to any point in the day's casting. I'm rewatching the series now. I downloaded the "rayv player" thing if that matters, don't know if the rewind function works on the lite flash version


Sadly, when I look at either the Lite Flash or the RayV player, all I get is this:

[image loading]

Yeah, I spoke too soon sadly =( even the ray v player recording is corrupted.


So it wasnt corrupted for a while there, and now all of a sudden it is?

I didn't start this live so the problem is just occuring foe me
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
October 23 2010 04:08 GMT
#7385
I love what boxer did for esports but his macro is severely lacking.

Let him stand on his own merits as a player in sc2, don't exaggerate his skill cause of his early BW success, and don't underrate him either.

Just let him play and judge it objectively.

He didn't put up an amazing fight vs cool in these games at all. You didn't even truly see cool abuse his amazing replenishment skills.
True skill comes without effort.
minru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
October 23 2010 04:09 GMT
#7386
On October 23 2010 13:04 Grack wrote:
the truth is all games vs zerg look like race against time, u cant rly play long games because he will outmacro and rape you, thats not rly fun or healthy approach to the game, i wish blizzard tweaked this aspect so every race could enjoy fair macro game like in bw.


Totally 100% agree. Zerg can just out macro toss and terran so hard right now. The "Zerg" race is starting to become more like a "turtle up and out macro enemy" style.
hungraa
Profile Joined September 2010
United States25 Posts
October 23 2010 04:09 GMT
#7387
i think blizzard needs to nerf fruitdealer
Check out my personal VoD's! www.youtube.com/hungraaStarcraft
ReaperSpirit
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 04:10:48
October 23 2010 04:09 GMT
#7388
the ray v player was only working fine if you didn't rewind, if you rewound you would get the error
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
October 23 2010 04:10 GMT
#7389
Boxer is simply not as good as FD or any other top SC2 pro right now. I don't know how anyone could think he was top tier at SC2.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
yoshinori
Profile Joined August 2010
United States34 Posts
October 23 2010 04:11 GMT
#7390
Dear forum mods,

Please revamp the TL forum rules to include a rule to autoban anyone inserting a balance comment in any non starcraft 2 strategy thread. It really detracts from the enjoyment of appreciating other topics like HOW FREAKIN AWESOME BOTH PLAYERS WERE TODAY IN THE BLIZZCON EXHIBITION MATCH BETWEEN THE EMPEROR AND THE FRUIT DEALER.

A Concerned TLer,
yoshinori~
fatvirgin90
Profile Joined September 2010
United States71 Posts
October 23 2010 04:12 GMT
#7391
On October 23 2010 13:10 Dental Floss wrote:
Boxer is simply not as good as FD or any other top SC2 pro right now. I don't know how anyone could think he was top tier at SC2.



... have you watched his last two matches vs FD and Happiness?
I am a fat virgin.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
October 23 2010 04:12 GMT
#7392
On October 23 2010 13:11 yoshinori wrote:
Dear forum mods,

Please revamp the TL forum rules to include a rule to autoban anyone inserting a balance comment in any non starcraft 2 strategy thread. It really detracts from the enjoyment of appreciating other topics like HOW FREAKIN AWESOME BOTH PLAYERS WERE TODAY IN THE BLIZZCON EXHIBITION MATCH BETWEEN THE EMPEROR AND THE FRUIT DEALER.

A Concerned TLer,
yoshinori~

an autoban is not exactly punishment fitting the crime, at all. just ignore it while the mods do their jobs.
Grack
Profile Joined October 2010
51 Posts
October 23 2010 04:13 GMT
#7393
On October 23 2010 13:08 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 13:05 YyapSsap wrote:
Boxer's macro was fine in that game (both games actually). If you guys haven't noticed, his units were constantly being pumped out as many as it can. But the thing with Z is that because of the larvae inject, you have 6~10 units (or a little more, say 5rax/3 facts) for T being reinforced as opposed to 40+ units coming from Z each wave.

So im guessing boxer got a little to anxious after winning that straight up fight at the gold from multiple fronts. Most Ts, including myself do make a mistake of over pushing which boxer did (it would work in BW btw since the amount of reinforcements from Z is literally cut in half or more). He should have regathered his forces for another push.



Maybe because a 100 terran army vs a 100 zerg army should survive with at least 50 left if microed correctly and they don't need as much reinforcements?

thats how zerg works, herp derp.


not true small armies seems to favor zerg and beneling/roach/infestor armies are surprisingly very cost effective, the huge battles where power shifts on terran side usualy happen late game where zerg has alot of bases so it doesnt rly metter because he already build huge economy riding early/mid game advantage.
cHaNg-sTa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1058 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 04:14:00
October 23 2010 04:13 GMT
#7394
So much whining after one Bo3? Seriously? Look, both games, Fruit Dealer got on 4 base with little harass (til extremely late) and still had a huge tug of war with Boxer who was on 2 base. Guess what, the game is looking a lot like BW where Terran has to deny those Zerg expos. And Boxer has already shown us that with great micro, he could still fight 3-4 base Zerg off with 2 base Terran. If the maps weren't so shitty where the 3rd natural was so hard to take, then you may have witnessed something different.
Jaedong <3 HOOK'EM HORNS!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
October 23 2010 04:15 GMT
#7395
On October 23 2010 13:12 fatvirgin90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 13:10 Dental Floss wrote:
Boxer is simply not as good as FD or any other top SC2 pro right now. I don't know how anyone could think he was top tier at SC2.



... have you watched his last two matches vs FD and Happiness?


Yeah, I just watched him get totally outclassed at blizzcon. I mean its nothing against boxer, but how can you play a game for a month and expect to beat the current champ - a former BW progamer no less - and win?
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Whiztard
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States228 Posts
October 23 2010 04:16 GMT
#7396
im getting the signal loss detected for the second match of Boxer vs FruitDealer, ~_~.

does anyone happen to have the match recorded or anything?
when Bisu switches to SC2...... (2014 update: sighh)
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 04:17:05
October 23 2010 04:16 GMT
#7397
On October 23 2010 13:13 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
So much whining after one Bo3? Seriously? Look, both games, Fruit Dealer got on 4 base with little harass (til extremely late) and still had a huge tug of war with Boxer who was on 2 base. Guess what, the game is looking a lot like BW where Terran has to deny those Zerg expos. And Boxer has already shown us that with great micro, he could still fight 3-4 base Zerg off with 2 base Terran. If the maps weren't so shitty where the 3rd natural was so hard to take, then you may have witnessed something different.

Those map positions are normally very bad for Zerg. It was extremely odd to see the Zerg as the one containing the Terran for those games. If a Terran can get a PF up at the middle expo on LT or metalopolis in those positions it's turns wildly in Terran's favor. Maybe it has something to do with zerg's going into midgame easier, maybe it was just a flaw in boxer's play, I dunno for sure. Boxer was still very impressive in those games, and I'm very happy to see him improving at such high rate.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Adonai
Profile Joined May 2010
United States44 Posts
October 23 2010 04:17 GMT
#7398
I just love all the Terran QQ ah hahahaha

For so long its been "Zerg QQ maybe you should L2P"

You have to build a supply depot before Barracks, end of the world! OMG we only have 5 viable openings instead of 7

GG to Fruit Dealer, Boxer was just out classed
Dream but don't sleep
fatvirgin90
Profile Joined September 2010
United States71 Posts
October 23 2010 04:17 GMT
#7399
On October 23 2010 13:15 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 13:12 fatvirgin90 wrote:
On October 23 2010 13:10 Dental Floss wrote:
Boxer is simply not as good as FD or any other top SC2 pro right now. I don't know how anyone could think he was top tier at SC2.



... have you watched his last two matches vs FD and Happiness?


Yeah, I just watched him get totally outclassed at blizzcon. I mean its nothing against boxer, but how can you play a game for a month and expect to beat the current champ - a former BW progamer no less - and win?


Boxer played well enough to win both matches and it was a show match anyway.

Can't really say anything until they play in a tournament.
I am a fat virgin.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 23 2010 04:17 GMT
#7400
http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/tournaments/starcraft.xml

Has no one noticed there's a whole match missing? A lower bracket finals before the championship match.
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