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SpaceChick
Profile Joined February 2010
173 Posts
October 23 2010 03:53 GMT
#7321
On October 23 2010 12:53 fatvirgin90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:47 dukethegold wrote:
Boxer is awesome. He definitely came closer to defeating Fruitdealer than any other Terran in the GSL.

I think this will be an educational experience for him.



Top?

Top would have one easily if the Ultra bug fix had been implemented,

Oh my god not again
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#7322
Mods should be banning the trolls posting here. If you have legitimate balance issues make a thread int the right forum.

Those were the two best games i've seen in a long time, was right on the edge multiple times. Perfect!
formthehead
Profile Joined June 2010
United States81 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#7323
thank god blizzard doesn't listen to forum complaints or evaluate a matchup from one single game when they try and balance the game for competitive play

isn't raging about imba while completely ignoring player decisions in a live report thread a bannable offense?
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#7324
On October 23 2010 12:52 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:48 teamsolid wrote:
These Terran trolls are so annoying, are you gonna complain that PvT is horribly imbalanced too if Boxer loses to his P opponent in Ro32?


Hardly anyone's really frothing at the mouth about it. If you want to seriously argue the fact that Zerg will win any macro war against the other two races in late game, go right ahead.

I think the solution to defeating Zerg will be from denying expos throughout the game, because it's inherently impossible to outmacro them if you just try to split the map.

Guess what, ZvP works the same way. Zerg will inevitably outmacro the P if you just let them freely expand all over the map, that's just inherently how the Z race works. But you know... P deals with this through carefully thought out timing pushes at various stages of the game. Terrans just haven't adapted yet, and would rather whine about it.
KrSuma
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)148 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#7325
Thanks to Boxer and FD for such a wonderful matchup.
^^
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#7326
You can Rewind the stream! the green bar along the bottom of the screen is a bar you can click on to rewind to any point in the day's casting. I'm rewatching the series now. I downloaded the "rayv player" thing if that matters, don't know if the rewind function works on the lite flash version
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#7327
On October 23 2010 12:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:
God damn it, we get to see a great match (or at least a great game, the start of a great game, a stream cut out, a frantic download of some random player and then the end of a great game) and TL forums devolve into crazy arguing instead of any appreciation.

Anyway, picture time:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5319/disappoint2.png

LOL WIN SIR
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#7328
Terran has become too used to mass mech pre-patch that they're still used to doing it post-patch. I play T at a 1500 diamond level, and I'm still trying to find something else to do in TvZ matches. It's really too early to tell whether Z is OP, the patch has been out for like 2 weeks - give it time for the pro statistics to mass up.

Also, a testament to Boxer's godly micro is that he was 2 base vs 4 base in the last game and almost won. If you let a Z get that many expansions they are just going to roll you with larva inject.
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." - Romans 6:14
phamou
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada193 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#7329
On October 23 2010 12:52 LoCaD wrote:
so I paid for Bliicon and now the signal loss is even apparently saved in the recording cause when i try to replay the last match it just shows the signal loss just great


view it as RayV format, not Lite Flash
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#7330
Yes, thank you Boxer for that wonderful match.
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#7331
I am really hoping all the people freaking out about balance on a tournament thread get warned.

If you want to discuss balance, make a seperate thread. This thread is for people who want to publically jizz their pants because those games were incredibly fun to watch.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7332
On October 23 2010 12:54 formthehead wrote:
thank god blizzard doesn't listen to forum complaints or evaluate a matchup from one single game when they try and balance the game for competitive play

isn't raging about imba while completely ignoring player decisions in a live report thread a bannable offense?


Who's raging about imba? I see more posts complaining about balance whining than I see actual balance whining. It's not unreasonable to talk about matchups if it's constructive and not outright whining. After an epic ZvT it's natural that people will talk about how lategame ZvT works.
whatsgrackalackin420
KrSuma
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)148 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7333
On October 23 2010 12:55 Ketara wrote:
I am really hoping all the people freaking out about balance on a tournament thread get warned.

If you want to discuss balance, make a seperate thread. This thread is for people who want to publically jizz their pants because those games were incredibly fun to watch.


agreed.
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7334
On October 23 2010 12:51 Mafarazzo wrote:
I'm a bit worried about the casters mocking the sponsors. This may lead to bad consequences.


Blizzard deserves it to be honest... 2 and half hour delay before the games were supposed to start. 2-3 second lag during the games when they did finally start. Stream cutting out during the main event between Boxer and Fruitdealer.

Na Blizzard you're right we don't need lan, battle.net 2.0 is fine.
fatvirgin90
Profile Joined September 2010
United States71 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7335
Anyone else think Boxer was just rubbing into noobdealer's face that he's better at the end when he killed every drone?

Boxer knows he will stomp this kid 2-0 when he actually tries in the GSL.
I am a fat virgin.
JoshK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States12 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7336
I've tried both players, even rewinding and I still get that stupid red block sigh...
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7337
On October 23 2010 12:53 SpaceChick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:53 fatvirgin90 wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:47 dukethegold wrote:
Boxer is awesome. He definitely came closer to defeating Fruitdealer than any other Terran in the GSL.

I think this will be an educational experience for him.



Top?

Top would have one easily if the Ultra bug fix had been implemented,

Oh my god not again


oGsTop took out FruitDealer in the [GOM] Team invitational. gonna go watch that game.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7338
On October 23 2010 12:52 mav451 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:50 Jehct wrote:
As a Z player ZvT was my fav matchup pre-patch - though it felt very punishing to learn as your timings needed to be really crisp and tight, it was overall pretty balanced; I really feel like the supply before barracks change and reaper speed change are whats making the difference now and turning it Z favoured. ZvP feels really nice now but ZvT seems and feels Z favoured; Fruitdealer got away with being so greedy in those games, seems like zerg just has a touch too much room now for the matchup to be fair.

Of course, it could simply be the readjustment as people like Fruitdealer got REALLY good at ZvT prepatch and now it's just downright easier - might be asking too much for Boxer to be able to compete at that level already, though he was definitely really really close. Time will tell if zergs OP or terran strategy development/execution behind I guess. Awesome games all the same.


Agreed. Someone already touched on this.
Zerg too fragile early, a bit too strong in macro later. How the heck is Blizzard going to find a happy medium? They nerfed Toss and Terran early rush openings to death now, so now what do they do?

Zerg is fragile early, but Blizzard took all the early advantage of Terran from the game, so there is nothing Terran can do to stop a greedy zerg.
If you bunker up like Boxer just did, Zerg will simply go for a expand far way and Terran actually is on a econ disadvantage after denied Zerg's natural.
Blizzard really needs to get the shit together about timing of patch and balancing.
Terran
WeeKeong
Profile Joined October 2010
United States282 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#7339
Boxer could not outmacro fruit because they spawned in close positions, simple as that. It gave boxer the early advantage but fruit the late advantage. And for game 2, if boxer scouted better, he would have won.
EpiK-J
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia78 Posts
October 23 2010 03:57 GMT
#7340
want blizzard to do something?

Nerf druitdealer and watch zerg stop from being op.

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