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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
September 10 2010 04:32 GMT
#1981
Blizzard is starting to dissapoint me with the licensing requirements... very distasteful to me.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 10 2010 04:32 GMT
#1982
On September 10 2010 13:25 Ascorius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 12:39 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 10 2010 12:25 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On September 10 2010 07:26 fantomex wrote:
License garbage is bull$&*(#. I hope a few large tournaments forgo the process in protest, but I'm not holding my breath.

if they like cease and desists I guess they can do that

TLers will cry about literally anything these days

its hard for me to imagine that what blizzard is doing with licenses is in any way legal.
It's like a carmaker requiring to have a permission before you race their car.


Ofcourse its legal... especially if you signed an agreement when you bought the car that said that you had to ask for permission before you raced it. But a better comparison would be to say that blizzard was the owner of a racetrack... then somebody comes a long and wants to set up a tournament on the racetrack, and money is involved in the tournie. Ofcourse the tournament arrangers would have to get permission from the racetrack owners.


contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place.
And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is.
It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
September 10 2010 04:45 GMT
#1983
On September 10 2010 13:32 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 13:25 Ascorius wrote:
On September 10 2010 12:39 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 10 2010 12:25 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On September 10 2010 07:26 fantomex wrote:
License garbage is bull$&*(#. I hope a few large tournaments forgo the process in protest, but I'm not holding my breath.

if they like cease and desists I guess they can do that

TLers will cry about literally anything these days

its hard for me to imagine that what blizzard is doing with licenses is in any way legal.
It's like a carmaker requiring to have a permission before you race their car.


Ofcourse its legal... especially if you signed an agreement when you bought the car that said that you had to ask for permission before you raced it. But a better comparison would be to say that blizzard was the owner of a racetrack... then somebody comes a long and wants to set up a tournament on the racetrack, and money is involved in the tournie. Ofcourse the tournament arrangers would have to get permission from the racetrack owners.


contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place.
And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is.
It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim.


If I remember correctly; according to EULA, we are not the "owner" of the game, Blizzard is the owner and grant rights for us to play their game. Same to B.net.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 10 2010 04:49 GMT
#1984
On September 10 2010 13:32 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 13:25 Ascorius wrote:
On September 10 2010 12:39 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 10 2010 12:25 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On September 10 2010 07:26 fantomex wrote:
License garbage is bull$&*(#. I hope a few large tournaments forgo the process in protest, but I'm not holding my breath.

if they like cease and desists I guess they can do that

TLers will cry about literally anything these days

its hard for me to imagine that what blizzard is doing with licenses is in any way legal.
It's like a carmaker requiring to have a permission before you race their car.


Ofcourse its legal... especially if you signed an agreement when you bought the car that said that you had to ask for permission before you raced it. But a better comparison would be to say that blizzard was the owner of a racetrack... then somebody comes a long and wants to set up a tournament on the racetrack, and money is involved in the tournie. Ofcourse the tournament arrangers would have to get permission from the racetrack owners.


contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place.
And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is.
It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim.


You own the right to use the software for your own personal use. Its the same with a CD or a movie. You have to ask permission before you want to use it on a different scale. Thats why you cant compare the game with a car. Its fully legal to licence software and limit its use. So I used a racetrack as comparison as you own the right to race around the track for fun on your own, and as much as you want. But if you want to set up a tournie on the track you have to ask the owner.

Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 10 2010 04:52 GMT
#1985
i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves.
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal.
Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 10 2010 04:58 GMT
#1986
I live in Europe and I am pretty sure it would be legal to prohibit tournaments without licences in my country (Norway). Especially since SC2 is more of an online service that you log onto with a client... and not really an object you own.
c0rn1
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 05:14:14
September 10 2010 05:12 GMT
#1987
If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players:

naama.842 (1650+ (T))(EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/269935/Naama
aTnDarKFoRcE.423 (1500+(Z)) (EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/175901/aTnDarKFoRcE
Trump.240 (1500+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/429573/Trump
Debo.353 (1300+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/356449/Debo

cheers
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. " (Albert Einstein)
ZergSecks
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden35 Posts
September 10 2010 05:18 GMT
#1988
On September 10 2010 14:12 c0rn1 wrote:
If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players:

[..]


"HDH2 is currently full and ready to go. We will be making the official announcement for HDH2 tomorrow!"
"The reason theres no zerg on the server is cuz fags like you do builds like this" - IdrA
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 05:32:00
September 10 2010 05:31 GMT
#1989
ontracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place.
And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is.
It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim.


You don't own Sc2. when you make your purchase, you are licensed it. Blizzard just doesn't want Sc2 to be associated with a scam tournament that's run badly. (not that HDH is run badly, Bliz just needs to rule out the possibility of bad PR)
Guess who`s special?!
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 10 2010 05:32 GMT
#1990
I am betting it will be IdrA, Tester, Cool and Ensnare in top 4, unless they knock each other out earlier on.
Zips
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
September 10 2010 08:12 GMT
#1991
WTF... I don't own the video game that I bought? Shame that the Eula and tos documents are like 50 pages long and require a lawyer to decipher..... Oh well, they know they can get away with it, because we're too distracted by their video games to take notice of how badly their fucking us over >
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 10 2010 08:14 GMT
#1992
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote:
i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves.
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal.
Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe.

A court of law just upheld Blizzard's right to enforce its EULA re: pirate servers in WoW. It's legal.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
September 10 2010 08:43 GMT
#1993
EULAs are not legal or illegal.

They are upheld, or torn down on a case-by-case basis in courts.
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 10 2010 08:51 GMT
#1994
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote:
i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves.
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal.
Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe.


Of course it's legal.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 10 2010 09:05 GMT
#1995
On September 10 2010 13:58 Ascorius wrote:
I live in Europe and I am pretty sure it would be legal to prohibit tournaments without licences in my country (Norway). Especially since SC2 is more of an online service that you log onto with a client... and not really an object you own.

i think how much pain and suffering RIAA is enduring with piratebay(which is a blatant intellectual property theft) is a good example of why i'm leaning this way.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 09:08:25
September 10 2010 09:07 GMT
#1996
On September 10 2010 17:14 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote:
i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves.
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal.
Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe.

A court of law just upheld Blizzard's right to enforce its EULA re: pirate servers in WoW. It's legal.

I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 10 2010 09:58 GMT
#1997
On September 10 2010 18:07 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 17:14 motbob wrote:
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote:
i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves.
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal.
Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe.

A court of law just upheld Blizzard's right to enforce its EULA re: pirate servers in WoW. It's legal.

I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own.


They are not claiming they own the idea of tournaments. Just tournaments using their product. There is nothing close to being illegal here.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 12:04:43
September 10 2010 11:54 GMT
#1998
On September 10 2010 17:12 Zips wrote:
WTF... I don't own the video game that I bought? Shame that the Eula and tos documents are like 50 pages long and require a lawyer to decipher..... Oh well, they know they can get away with it, because we're too distracted by their video games to take notice of how badly their fucking us over >


You own a license to play the game, and the disks it came on.

Blizzard owns Battle.net, and if you're running a tournament on Battle.net, they're perfectly within their rights to require licenses for that. After all, the sponsors paying the prize money are using Blizzard's hardware and software to promote their products.

If you wanted to have an offline competition where everyone shows up with their own computers and does like speedruns of single player missions, I'm sure you wouldn't need a license.

EDIT: Also, don't be so quick to demonize Blizzard just because the "main" reason for the delay is the licensing. I'd imagine that two inexperienced guys trying to organize a 64 player tournament and all the scheduling involved in that is just as big a culprit.

EDIT 2:

On September 10 2010 18:07 Sfydjklm wrote:
I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own.


If you want to make the HDH a tic tac toe tournament then you have a point.

This is more akin to American Idol having to pay licensing fees for music before they can broadcast their competition (which features other people's music).

No one requires a license for an amateur tournament that you hold. But if there are tens of thousands of dollars in prize money and sponsorship deals involved, then Blizzard very rightfully deserves to control what people do with their software and their service.
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Kensai
Profile Joined July 2010
28 Posts
September 10 2010 13:38 GMT
#1999
On September 10 2010 14:12 c0rn1 wrote:
If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players:

naama.842 (1650+ (T))(EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/269935/Naama
aTnDarKFoRcE.423 (1500+(Z)) (EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/175901/aTnDarKFoRcE
Trump.240 (1500+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/429573/Trump
Debo.353 (1300+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/356449/Debo

cheers


Would like to see darkforce play, enjoy his stream.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 10 2010 16:37 GMT
#2000
On September 10 2010 22:38 Kensai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:12 c0rn1 wrote:
If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players:

naama.842 (1650+ (T))(EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/269935/Naama
aTnDarKFoRcE.423 (1500+(Z)) (EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/175901/aTnDarKFoRcE
Trump.240 (1500+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/429573/Trump
Debo.353 (1300+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/356449/Debo

cheers


Would like to see darkforce play, enjoy his stream.


Cmon guys.... read the OP
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