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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:25 Ascorius wrote: Ofcourse its legal... especially if you signed an agreement when you bought the car that said that you had to ask for permission before you raced it. But a better comparison would be to say that blizzard was the owner of a racetrack... then somebody comes a long and wants to set up a tournament on the racetrack, and money is involved in the tournie. Ofcourse the tournament arrangers would have to get permission from the racetrack owners. contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place. And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is. It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:32 Sfydjklm wrote: contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place. And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is. It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim. If I remember correctly; according to EULA, we are not the "owner" of the game, Blizzard is the owner and grant rights for us to play their game. Same to B.net. | ||
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Ascorius
Norway275 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:32 Sfydjklm wrote: contracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place. And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is. It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim. You own the right to use the software for your own personal use. Its the same with a CD or a movie. You have to ask permission before you want to use it on a different scale. Thats why you cant compare the game with a car. Its fully legal to licence software and limit its use. So I used a racetrack as comparison as you own the right to race around the track for fun on your own, and as much as you want. But if you want to set up a tournie on the track you have to ask the owner. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal. Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe. | ||
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Ascorius
Norway275 Posts
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c0rn1
Germany146 Posts
naama.842 (1650+ (T))(EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/269935/Naama aTnDarKFoRcE.423 (1500+(Z)) (EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/175901/aTnDarKFoRcE Trump.240 (1500+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/429573/Trump Debo.353 (1300+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/356449/Debo cheers | ||
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ZergSecks
Sweden35 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:12 c0rn1 wrote: If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players: [..] "HDH2 is currently full and ready to go. We will be making the official announcement for HDH2 tomorrow!" | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
ontracts dont matter if they're illegal in the first place. And no, a track isnt owned by me, while the software is. It would be like paying for a track day and then finding out you cant wager your buddy whos gonna go around faster because of a racetrack owner whim. You don't own Sc2. when you make your purchase, you are licensed it. Blizzard just doesn't want Sc2 to be associated with a scam tournament that's run badly. (not that HDH is run badly, Bliz just needs to rule out the possibility of bad PR) | ||
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Ascorius
Norway275 Posts
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Zips
United States146 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote: i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves. I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal. Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe. A court of law just upheld Blizzard's right to enforce its EULA re: pirate servers in WoW. It's legal. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
They are upheld, or torn down on a case-by-case basis in courts. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:52 Sfydjklm wrote: i understand that and i understand that there is nothing you can really compare it with because intellectual property rights is not something really comprehensible- not even for lawmakers themselves. I'm just saying its highly doubtful that this is legal. Definitely wont fly anywhere in Europe. Of course it's legal. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:58 Ascorius wrote: I live in Europe and I am pretty sure it would be legal to prohibit tournaments without licences in my country (Norway). Especially since SC2 is more of an online service that you log onto with a client... and not really an object you own. i think how much pain and suffering RIAA is enduring with piratebay(which is a blatant intellectual property theft) is a good example of why i'm leaning this way. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 10 2010 17:14 motbob wrote: A court of law just upheld Blizzard's right to enforce its EULA re: pirate servers in WoW. It's legal. I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:07 Sfydjklm wrote: I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own. They are not claiming they own the idea of tournaments. Just tournaments using their product. There is nothing close to being illegal here. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On September 10 2010 17:12 Zips wrote: WTF... I don't own the video game that I bought? Shame that the Eula and tos documents are like 50 pages long and require a lawyer to decipher..... Oh well, they know they can get away with it, because we're too distracted by their video games to take notice of how badly their fucking us over > You own a license to play the game, and the disks it came on. Blizzard owns Battle.net, and if you're running a tournament on Battle.net, they're perfectly within their rights to require licenses for that. After all, the sponsors paying the prize money are using Blizzard's hardware and software to promote their products. If you wanted to have an offline competition where everyone shows up with their own computers and does like speedruns of single player missions, I'm sure you wouldn't need a license. EDIT: Also, don't be so quick to demonize Blizzard just because the "main" reason for the delay is the licensing. I'd imagine that two inexperienced guys trying to organize a 64 player tournament and all the scheduling involved in that is just as big a culprit. EDIT 2: On September 10 2010 18:07 Sfydjklm wrote: I'm not saying their EULA is not upheldable, i'm saying that they don't own the idea of tournaments. I don't think any court would support a company trying to monopolize(somethign thats illegal in and out of itself) a complimentary product that they didnt invent or own. If you want to make the HDH a tic tac toe tournament then you have a point. This is more akin to American Idol having to pay licensing fees for music before they can broadcast their competition (which features other people's music). No one requires a license for an amateur tournament that you hold. But if there are tens of thousands of dollars in prize money and sponsorship deals involved, then Blizzard very rightfully deserves to control what people do with their software and their service. | ||
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Kensai
28 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:12 c0rn1 wrote: If there are still slots I'd suggest the following players: naama.842 (1650+ (T))(EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/269935/Naama aTnDarKFoRcE.423 (1500+(Z)) (EU) => http://sc2ranks.com/eu/175901/aTnDarKFoRcE Trump.240 (1500+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/429573/Trump Debo.353 (1300+ (T)) (US) => http://sc2ranks.com/us/356449/Debo cheers Would like to see darkforce play, enjoy his stream. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:38 Kensai wrote: Would like to see darkforce play, enjoy his stream. Cmon guys.... read the OP | ||
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