EPTSmuft's Team Battle Tourney - Page 31
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Hansel
Germany311 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36370 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:59 Squeegy wrote: Indeed. I think Idra's reason is stronger though, since $5000 is quite the sum of money. But I mean no offence to smuft at all. I'd do the same thing if I were in that situation. I'd still like to see this match as I like them both! If I had to guess, theres two reasons for Smuft wanting the bet to be $5k. First, surely beating Idra is a large motivation, but $500 is small enough for him to just brush off and not practice as hard as he may want for this, while its probably a significant amount to Idra. Actually making the bet something he'd care about is important to him. Second, and I think this is more important -- Smuft probably believes he is at a great advantage when he's playing for an amount that puts far more pressure on the other player. As we know, SC is much harder when you care greatly about the result. And playing for $5k would really put pressure on Idra, giving Smuft a real edge in the games. That said, I don't think Idra will find a backer so this match will 99% not happen. | ||
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StarcraftMaster
United States84 Posts
On April 06 2010 05:58 Hot_Bid wrote: If I had to guess, theres two reasons for Smuft wanting the bet to be $5k. First, surely beating Idra is a large motivation, but $500 is small enough for him to just brush off and not practice as hard as he may want for this, while its probably a significant amount to Idra. Actually making the bet something he'd care about is important to him. Second, and I think this is more important -- Smuft probably believes he is at a great advantage when he's playing for an amount that puts far more pressure on the other player. As we know, SC is much harder when you care greatly about the result. And playing for $5k would really put pressure on Idra, giving Smuft a real edge in the games. That said, I don't think Idra will find a backer so this match will 99% not happen. Smuft is dodging. $5000 is a HUGE Sum of money to idra and im sure to almost everyone here reading this. $5000 to smuft of course is a very small ammount. and im sure with the $500 Idra put it out is already quite alot for him. Smuft knows this. Idra cant pay upwards of $5000. Don't be sucked into believing that smuft will only play for something thats worth his time. I have never heard more conceited bullshit in my life. If smuft had any balls he would understand the financial situations of others. He has a chance to take away $500 from idra where as $500 is like peas in a pod to him but the embarassment of him beating idra and showing everyone else is probably worth many more thousands to him. No sir. This is smuft trying to use the intellect he has to get out of a shit situation he got him self in.. don't buy into such shit. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I love smuft but I've seen him sit in obs games all day and watch people play before. Practicing 2-3 hours a day for a week for a SM isn't "quitting" his job. I'm willing to bet it isn't as hardcore as it'd have to be to be that severe. For 1 week he can rest from poker for a few hours each day to play some games and prepare for 1 mu, 1 opponent (robot at that) and stand up to the challenge. Raising it 10x the proposed amount (500 is already hefty) is a dodge, plain and simple. Explaining that you are so rich that 5k makes it "worth your time" is a joke. I'm sorry but nobody on this site values their time that way and if they do they ain't telling the truth lol | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
It would be pretty fun to watch though, maybe we can work something out | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
If Smuft doesn't care enough about what people think of his SC2 skills to prove them without financial compensation, then he shouldn't say things like "I'd beat IdrA with a week of practice." | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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StarcraftMaster
United States84 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:00 Liquid`NonY wrote: I think this is what irks people: If Smuft doesn't care enough about what people think of his SC2 skills to prove them without financial compensation, then he shouldn't say things like "I'd beat IdrA with a week of practice." /wellsaid. Honestly i dont even know why he would play sc2 he has nothing to gain from it. So i don't know how financially he picked it up to begin with. I mean he was giving us the impression that his time is money. but yet when it comes to playing an important match for the whole community to see for him to uphold his integrity he backs out.. but he will play for fun.. Ahh hypocrites.... But i do respect smuft.. He has given to the community however.. I just really dislike how he is handling this | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
Seriously, wtf. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:02 Fayth wrote: he wouldn't if idra wouldn't claim everyone is retarded and sucks and that he can't lose any tournament on the us server Yeah, that explains Smuft's response but doesn't justify it. If IdrA's talk truly gets Smuft's blood boiling, then he must really care about proving it's all bullshit, so why does he need to get paid to do something he cares about? He shouldn't personally involve himself in it if he's not going to personally do something about it. He could just say "IdrA is bm" and stay out of it. That'd be justified. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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pencilcase
United States330 Posts
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:08 Spike wrote: LOL, I seriously can't believe that people are trying to defend Smuft's dodge reasoning. Seriously, wtf. It makes perfect sense. Playing for $ / grudge is serious. I don't care who you are you don't want to lose to someone who will berate you afterwards. Smuft doesn't view a video game as something that is serious. It is entertainment. When you play for fun and you play seriously you play differently. When you're having fun you make units you think are cool and are fun to play w/ even tho they are suboptimal. You play with friends and screw around with the video game. Forcing someone to take a game seriously that they don't really want to puts them outside of a comfort zone. I'm sure smuft would find absolutely no joy in getting into a grudge match. So why would he do something he finds unenjoyable for no reason? You would need to put up money to make it worthwhile, to make it more like a job. | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:16 Sfydjklm wrote: what fayth said. The mentality of a poker player is just different. I understand ur guys position but at the same tie i understand that Smuft's proposal does not necessarily constitute dodging. In fact with the way Idra has been performing and with the current state of PvZ i see absolutely no reason for Smuft to dodge. I don't think its poker player vs starcraft player mentality. I think the poker players are generally older and more mature. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
does it make sense I think not 8D | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:24 Maynard wrote: I don't think its poker player vs starcraft player mentality. I think the poker players are generally older and more mature. i am talking about the whole using money bets as a motivator ordeal. And to put things in a perspective a bit this is what smuft does with 5 thousand dollars: http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/760012 so u can see how a 500 dollar bet doesnt sound enticing for him. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
A dude publicly makes a claim. People say the claim should be backed up. The dude gives a reason why he doesn't want to back it up. People say don't make a claim if you aren't going to back it up. You guys are all discussing whether or not the reason the dude gives is good or not. It doesn't matter. What Smuft says is as at least as much bullshit as what IdrA says if he doesn't back it up. | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:36 Maynard wrote: Not just age. I think there is a certain level of maturity when you are able to step back and realize that playing starcraft so seriously to the point that its unenjoyable its pointless. You will not be rewarded by being a "l33t gamer." You begin to realize that you need to make money or establish yourself career wise in order to obtain the things that you want in life. The poker players are gamers but they've realized this and started making money. Oh yes, because grinding it out multiple hours a day, every day is just so much fun. The only difference between poker and other games is that you don't have to be in the top few to actually make money off it. For the rest don't act like poker players are more mature, or have a better vision on life, because it is just exactly the same, except that it's easier to make money in poker then it is in e-sports Anyway, I really want to see Smuft vs Idra, but I guess it's never gonna happen  | ||
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