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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 05 2010 20:08 GMT
#601
actually puosu if I thought IdrA was a favorite over smuft, i'd back him up, cuz it'd make the bet profitable for me, thing is, I don't think IdrA can win more than 50% of the time if smuft practice for it
Hansel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany311 Posts
April 05 2010 20:53 GMT
#602
Idras gonna borrow 4,5k and bet more on smuft :-). Also loved that Harry Potter & videogaming comment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_hDyfmEw4
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 20:59:36
April 05 2010 20:58 GMT
#603
On April 06 2010 03:59 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 03:51 Fayth wrote:
On April 06 2010 03:34 Squeegy wrote:
On April 06 2010 03:11 Fayth wrote:
lol smuft isn't dodging, the time smuft would usually be using playing poker would now use it to practice to play against IdrA, and it certainly isn't worth 500$, hence why he's raising to 5k, which is fine, if IdrA is guaranteed to win, I have no idea why he wouldn't risk 5k....


No, he is dodging, but this doesn't mean he is without a reason to do so.

or IdrA is also dodging it, but he also has a reason to do so


Indeed. I think Idra's reason is stronger though, since $5000 is quite the sum of money. But I mean no offence to smuft at all. I'd do the same thing if I were in that situation.

I'd still like to see this match as I like them both!

If I had to guess, theres two reasons for Smuft wanting the bet to be $5k. First, surely beating Idra is a large motivation, but $500 is small enough for him to just brush off and not practice as hard as he may want for this, while its probably a significant amount to Idra. Actually making the bet something he'd care about is important to him. Second, and I think this is more important -- Smuft probably believes he is at a great advantage when he's playing for an amount that puts far more pressure on the other player. As we know, SC is much harder when you care greatly about the result. And playing for $5k would really put pressure on Idra, giving Smuft a real edge in the games.

That said, I don't think Idra will find a backer so this match will 99% not happen.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
StarcraftMaster
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
April 05 2010 21:45 GMT
#604
On April 06 2010 05:58 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 03:59 Squeegy wrote:
On April 06 2010 03:51 Fayth wrote:
On April 06 2010 03:34 Squeegy wrote:
On April 06 2010 03:11 Fayth wrote:
lol smuft isn't dodging, the time smuft would usually be using playing poker would now use it to practice to play against IdrA, and it certainly isn't worth 500$, hence why he's raising to 5k, which is fine, if IdrA is guaranteed to win, I have no idea why he wouldn't risk 5k....


No, he is dodging, but this doesn't mean he is without a reason to do so.

or IdrA is also dodging it, but he also has a reason to do so


Indeed. I think Idra's reason is stronger though, since $5000 is quite the sum of money. But I mean no offence to smuft at all. I'd do the same thing if I were in that situation.

I'd still like to see this match as I like them both!

If I had to guess, theres two reasons for Smuft wanting the bet to be $5k. First, surely beating Idra is a large motivation, but $500 is small enough for him to just brush off and not practice as hard as he may want for this, while its probably a significant amount to Idra. Actually making the bet something he'd care about is important to him. Second, and I think this is more important -- Smuft probably believes he is at a great advantage when he's playing for an amount that puts far more pressure on the other player. As we know, SC is much harder when you care greatly about the result. And playing for $5k would really put pressure on Idra, giving Smuft a real edge in the games.

That said, I don't think Idra will find a backer so this match will 99% not happen.


Smuft is dodging. $5000 is a HUGE Sum of money to idra and im sure to almost everyone here reading this. $5000 to smuft of course is a very small ammount. and im sure with the $500 Idra put it out is already quite alot for him. Smuft knows this. Idra cant pay upwards of $5000.
Don't be sucked into believing that smuft will only play for something thats worth his time. I have never heard more conceited bullshit in my life. If smuft had any balls he would understand the financial situations of others. He has a chance to take away $500 from idra where as $500 is like peas in a pod to him but the embarassment of him beating idra and showing everyone else is probably worth many more thousands to him.
No sir. This is smuft trying to use the intellect he has to get out of a shit situation he got him self in.. don't buy into such shit.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 05 2010 21:54 GMT
#605
not that I agree with the wording / abrasive nature of the above post but he is absolutely correct:

I love smuft but I've seen him sit in obs games all day and watch people play before. Practicing 2-3 hours a day for a week for a SM isn't "quitting" his job. I'm willing to bet it isn't as hardcore as it'd have to be to be that severe. For 1 week he can rest from poker for a few hours each day to play some games and prepare for 1 mu, 1 opponent (robot at that) and stand up to the challenge.

Raising it 10x the proposed amount (500 is already hefty) is a dodge, plain and simple. Explaining that you are so rich that 5k makes it "worth your time" is a joke. I'm sorry but nobody on this site values their time that way and if they do they ain't telling the truth lol
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 05 2010 21:59 GMT
#606
well inc, I do, mez does, khan does, and smuft does, everyone who's a successful high stakes player does....

It would be pretty fun to watch though, maybe we can work something out
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 05 2010 22:00 GMT
#607
I think this is what irks people:
If Smuft doesn't care enough about what people think of his SC2 skills to prove them without financial compensation, then he shouldn't say things like "I'd beat IdrA with a week of practice."
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 05 2010 22:02 GMT
#608
he wouldn't if idra wouldn't claim everyone is retarded and sucks and that he can't lose any tournament on the us server
StarcraftMaster
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 22:06:31
April 05 2010 22:04 GMT
#609
On April 06 2010 07:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I think this is what irks people:
If Smuft doesn't care enough about what people think of his SC2 skills to prove them without financial compensation, then he shouldn't say things like "I'd beat IdrA with a week of practice."

/wellsaid.
Honestly i dont even know why he would play sc2 he has nothing to gain from it. So i don't know how financially he picked it up to begin with. I mean he was giving us the impression that his time is money. but yet when it comes to playing an important match for the whole community to see for him to uphold his integrity he backs out.. but he will play for fun..
Ahh hypocrites....
But i do respect smuft.. He has given to the community however..
I just really dislike how he is handling this
Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
April 05 2010 22:08 GMT
#610
LOL, I seriously can't believe that people are trying to defend Smuft's dodge reasoning.
Seriously, wtf.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 05 2010 22:14 GMT
#611
On April 06 2010 07:02 Fayth wrote:
he wouldn't if idra wouldn't claim everyone is retarded and sucks and that he can't lose any tournament on the us server

Yeah, that explains Smuft's response but doesn't justify it. If IdrA's talk truly gets Smuft's blood boiling, then he must really care about proving it's all bullshit, so why does he need to get paid to do something he cares about? He shouldn't personally involve himself in it if he's not going to personally do something about it. He could just say "IdrA is bm" and stay out of it. That'd be justified.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 22:17:05
April 05 2010 22:16 GMT
#612
what fayth said. The mentality of a poker player is just different. I understand ur guys position but at the same tie i understand that Smuft's proposal does not necessarily constitute dodging. In fact with the way Idra has been performing and with the current state of PvZ i see absolutely no reason for Smuft to dodge.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
pencilcase
Profile Joined September 2007
United States330 Posts
April 05 2010 22:22 GMT
#613
Can we just get a TL style showmatch ala Chill v. Combat-Ex? Screw the money nonsense, just make it pride on the line and have Day cast in his hilarious style. That would be the most enjoyable for the community, while Smuft and Idra's money concerns can be sidestepped.
Maynard
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States889 Posts
April 05 2010 22:23 GMT
#614
On April 06 2010 07:08 Spike wrote:
LOL, I seriously can't believe that people are trying to defend Smuft's dodge reasoning.
Seriously, wtf.


It makes perfect sense. Playing for $ / grudge is serious. I don't care who you are you don't want to lose to someone who will berate you afterwards. Smuft doesn't view a video game as something that is serious. It is entertainment. When you play for fun and you play seriously you play differently. When you're having fun you make units you think are cool and are fun to play w/ even tho they are suboptimal. You play with friends and screw around with the video game.

Forcing someone to take a game seriously that they don't really want to puts them outside of a comfort zone. I'm sure smuft would find absolutely no joy in getting into a grudge match. So why would he do something he finds unenjoyable for no reason? You would need to put up money to make it worthwhile, to make it more like a job.



Maynard
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States889 Posts
April 05 2010 22:24 GMT
#615
On April 06 2010 07:16 Sfydjklm wrote:
what fayth said. The mentality of a poker player is just different. I understand ur guys position but at the same tie i understand that Smuft's proposal does not necessarily constitute dodging. In fact with the way Idra has been performing and with the current state of PvZ i see absolutely no reason for Smuft to dodge.



I don't think its poker player vs starcraft player mentality. I think the poker players are generally older and more mature.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 05 2010 22:26 GMT
#616
meh not quite the case anymore maynard as most poker players playing starcraft 2 now were starcraft players too, and the same player who were playing starcraft that didn't play poker in here are playing starcraft 2 now

does it make sense

I think not 8D
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-05 22:27:08
April 05 2010 22:26 GMT
#617
On April 06 2010 07:24 Maynard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 07:16 Sfydjklm wrote:
what fayth said. The mentality of a poker player is just different. I understand ur guys position but at the same tie i understand that Smuft's proposal does not necessarily constitute dodging. In fact with the way Idra has been performing and with the current state of PvZ i see absolutely no reason for Smuft to dodge.



I don't think its poker player vs starcraft player mentality. I think the poker players are generally older and more mature.

i am talking about the whole using money bets as a motivator ordeal.
And to put things in a perspective a bit this is what smuft does with 5 thousand dollars:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/760012

so u can see how a 500 dollar bet doesnt sound enticing for him.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 05 2010 22:36 GMT
#618
Oooooook so it still comes back to what I just said a few posts up... Smuft shouldn't be saying anything. I assume you guys don't understand so I'll say it another way:

A dude publicly makes a claim. People say the claim should be backed up. The dude gives a reason why he doesn't want to back it up. People say don't make a claim if you aren't going to back it up.

You guys are all discussing whether or not the reason the dude gives is good or not. It doesn't matter. What Smuft says is as at least as much bullshit as what IdrA says if he doesn't back it up.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Maynard
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States889 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 00:52:13
April 05 2010 22:36 GMT
#619
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
April 05 2010 22:51 GMT
#620
On April 06 2010 07:36 Maynard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2010 07:26 Fayth wrote:
meh not quite the case anymore maynard as most poker players playing starcraft 2 now were starcraft players too, and the same player who were playing starcraft that didn't play poker in here are playing starcraft 2 now

does it make sense

I think not 8D


Not just age. I think there is a certain level of maturity when you are able to step back and realize that playing starcraft so seriously to the point that its unenjoyable its pointless. You will not be rewarded by being a "l33t gamer." You begin to realize that you need to make money or establish yourself career wise in order to obtain the things that you want in life. The poker players are gamers but they've realized this and started making money.






Oh yes, because grinding it out multiple hours a day, every day is just so much fun.

The only difference between poker and other games is that you don't have to be in the top few to actually make money off it. For the rest don't act like poker players are more mature, or have a better vision on life, because it is just exactly the same, except that it's easier to make money in poker then it is in e-sports

Anyway, I really want to see Smuft vs Idra, but I guess it's never gonna happen
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