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A Second Overview of HotS Zerg - Page 3

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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
September 06 2013 21:23 GMT
#41
Awessoommee guide!!! Makes me want to go hit the ladder. Pretty much all the standard stuff gets touched on, very comprehensive.

What are your thoughts on ling/bling/hydra in midgame ZvT? I've seen a few koreans use that style on maps that are good for it, like bel'shir vestige.
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Kit-Bar
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada8 Posts
September 06 2013 21:30 GMT
#42
Hey Blade, really nice guide! I really enjoy these and they really allow me to change my game up. Makes sc2 more interesting trying new builds!

One question. In the protoss sh builds, you did not get locus life. Is that generally not a good idea? I assume getting roach heavy with some hydras and teching to viprs seems like a good idea. I was having trouble killing late game toss armies and ended up trying to trade and remaxing on mutas. Maybe ill try this.

Also I have been using lings in zvp and then getting sh to corrupts to take down the collo. I will try this now. Thanka again for the guide!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 06 2013 21:37 GMT
#43
that's one detailed guide, great stuff Blade!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2013 21:42 GMT
#44
On September 07 2013 06:23 TheFish7 wrote:
Awessoommee guide!!! Makes me want to go hit the ladder. Pretty much all the standard stuff gets touched on, very comprehensive.

What are your thoughts on ling/bling/hydra in midgame ZvT? I've seen a few koreans use that style on maps that are good for it, like bel'shir vestige.


I Tried ling/bane/hydra back in beta and I just had awful success with it. I don't think it's that great personally.

On September 07 2013 06:30 Kit-Bar wrote:
Hey Blade, really nice guide! I really enjoy these and they really allow me to change my game up. Makes sc2 more interesting trying new builds!

One question. In the protoss sh builds, you did not get locus life. Is that generally not a good idea? I assume getting roach heavy with some hydras and teching to viprs seems like a good idea. I was having trouble killing late game toss armies and ended up trying to trade and remaxing on mutas. Maybe ill try this.

Also I have been using lings in zvp and then getting sh to corrupts to take down the collo. I will try this now. Thanka again for the guide!


I do get the extended locus life as soon as I decide i want to make sh I get the upgrade.
When I think of something else, something will go here
SCMothership
Profile Joined November 2010
United States187 Posts
September 06 2013 21:53 GMT
#45
Wow! This is amazing! I don't even play Zerg and this was super helpful and fun to read. Keep up the great work!
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
September 06 2013 21:54 GMT
#46
thanks for this guide. I didnt really play since HotS, but I want to start again, so this comes in very handy.

Now I only need to find the motivation to read/play^^
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 06 2013 22:06 GMT
#47
Thank you, kind sir! You are our guiding light in a vast abyss of eternal darkness (and all kinds of non-zerg epic writeups).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
September 06 2013 22:25 GMT
#48
Really great stuff Blade <3 I'm Terran, but I can still appreciate what an awesome resource this is for the community. Much <3
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
LeonePalle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3 Posts
September 06 2013 22:33 GMT
#49
Thanks so much for this guide!!!
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 06 2013 22:48 GMT
#50
Thanks alot for this, it is clear alot of work went into it.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
sns3rsam
Profile Joined September 2012
United States138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 01:32:50
September 06 2013 22:57 GMT
#51
Very very nice! Thank you! As a lowly plat player I will be definitely be hitting up the ladder today using these builds!
"Every Terran same to me... uhhhh ezpz" -DRG // When Life gives you banelings...
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
September 06 2013 23:22 GMT
#52
I can't help but notice that you didn't cover Snute's roach/bane/ling macro build. Is it because it's clearly inferior to muta/ling/bling in some way? If so, why hasn't it been edited out of the Zerg help me thread's OP?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
September 06 2013 23:23 GMT
#53
Gosh I love these guides so much! I can't thank you guys enough for giving us these very well written and detailed guides. Great job as always, thanks!!
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
PXEnTei
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States209 Posts
September 06 2013 23:35 GMT
#54
As a terran/ toss player i dont much like that you are telling zerg players how to play, but if it keeps them from allin-ing, then awsome.
Looks really nice, with a crap ton of info. Makes me jealous
"Sue me, dickhead!" -Thor
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2013 23:42 GMT
#55
On September 07 2013 08:22 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I can't help but notice that you didn't cover Snute's roach/bane/ling macro build. Is it because it's clearly inferior to muta/ling/bling in some way? If so, why hasn't it been edited out of the Zerg help me thread's OP?


In my opinion it's clearly not as good as muta/ling/bane, but the reason I didn't write about it was partly forgetting about it and partly just not the biggest fan of it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 23:47:26
September 06 2013 23:47 GMT
#56
On September 07 2013 08:42 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:22 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I can't help but notice that you didn't cover Snute's roach/bane/ling macro build. Is it because it's clearly inferior to muta/ling/bling in some way? If so, why hasn't it been edited out of the Zerg help me thread's OP?


In my opinion it's clearly not as good as muta/ling/bane, but the reason I didn't write about it was partly forgetting about it and partly just not the biggest fan of it.


It's because the opponent has a lot more medivac retention and you can't snipe mines, right? Or is there something else?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Kit-Bar
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada8 Posts
September 06 2013 23:50 GMT
#57
One more question. You did not really talk about if the opponent in zvz goes mass mutas. Do you suggest you cut SH production? I was not sure if going mutas or hydras was the best option. I assume if you see mutas you just try to out muta him with the +1?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2013 23:53 GMT
#58
On September 07 2013 08:47 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:42 blade55555 wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:22 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I can't help but notice that you didn't cover Snute's roach/bane/ling macro build. Is it because it's clearly inferior to muta/ling/bling in some way? If so, why hasn't it been edited out of the Zerg help me thread's OP?


In my opinion it's clearly not as good as muta/ling/bane, but the reason I didn't write about it was partly forgetting about it and partly just not the biggest fan of it.


It's because the opponent has a lot more medivac retention and you can't snipe mines, right? Or is there something else?


It's not just the medivac retention, it's also drop play is really hard to deal with even with static defense. Can be really hard to get past a 3rd, sometimes a 4th base due to drops. Also it's not great in a straight up fight after a certain point in the mid game.

On September 07 2013 08:50 Kit-Bar wrote:
One more question. You did not really talk about if the opponent in zvz goes mass mutas. Do you suggest you cut SH production? I was not sure if going mutas or hydras was the best option. I assume if you see mutas you just try to out muta him with the +1?


You mean if he does a muta switch right? If so yes make some spores at bases and just make mutas yourself while getting the other upgrade as well so you remain ahead in upgrades.
When I think of something else, something will go here
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 07 2013 00:19 GMT
#59
Do you have the build order for the very popular upgraded lings style against protoss? I can't seem to find that anywhere
newbornducky
Profile Joined September 2010
42 Posts
September 07 2013 00:27 GMT
#60
Blade's guide is finally here!!! Thanks a lot Blade for your hard work, now I can step back into SC2 after taking a long break with a guide to follow. But Blade although I appreciate you effort, there are a few typos in the guide. I notice a few even when I skim through it. I think a quick fix will make your guide even better!

Here's a typo I saw (and remember where I saw it):

In the ZvP section under Swarmhost/Roach/Hydra Build, the last line should be "how blade normally plays ZvP" not "how blade normally plays ZvT"


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