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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On November 27 2013 20:24 A_Scarecrow wrote: should you build roach warren earlier if terran goes for fast helions/blueflame all in? If it is on 2 bases I seriously doubt that. I might be wrong though. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 27 2013 20:24 A_Scarecrow wrote: should you build roach warren earlier if terran goes for fast helions/blueflame all in? No unless they are doing a 1 base all in by the time it hits it will have been after you get the normal roach warren anyway. | ||
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
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THAmarx
65 Posts
It's only hard to deal with banshee hellion marine agression. But some extra queens fill the gap untill mutas come out and chase it away. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 27 2013 23:15 THAmarx wrote: do you still get a roach warren defensivly ? To be honest i only make it reactionary when spotting hellbats/blueflame or when i want to do a roach bane all in. I feel like a baneling nest can deal with the rest of the agression terran put up with. It's only hard to deal with banshee hellion marine agression. But some extra queens fill the gap untill mutas come out and chase it away. Yeah I do get it defensively. Is it a must? No, it all goes down to preference and I just prefer it unless I see my opponent is not doing hellions or something. | ||
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Solanek
Romania7 Posts
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THAmarx
65 Posts
On November 30 2013 05:04 blade55555 wrote: Yeah I do get it defensively. Is it a must? No, it all goes down to preference and I just prefer it unless I see my opponent is not doing hellions or something. me with my big mouth... after i posted this i got hellbat pushed 3 times in a row. Roach warren would been helpfull ^^ | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On December 04 2013 19:58 Solanek wrote: Blade can you pls addj to this guide OL PLACEMENT for this sesons maps? Some photo with marks on them for Ol I like this diea. Also, when each OL should be there for 2 player maps | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Do you drone scout? How afraid are you of vikings/phoenix, what do you want the overlord to do, what is the general playstyle of your opponent, locations on the map, opponents opening, opportunity costs of having overlords in scouting position as opposed to defensive, etc. Furthermore, any kind of dead space on the map OR unaccessible/hard to get vision of high-ground is a suitable location. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
I am a bit lost in ZvZ now (EU mid master) and the match up is holding me back a lot. Which of the styles you mentioned do you think will work out the most in ladder? I just need a style to focus on in order to improve with that and general ZvZ mechanics. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:12 Karpfen wrote: Hey Blade, great guide there. I am a bit lost in ZvZ now (EU mid master) and the match up is holding me back a lot. Which of the styles you mentioned do you think will work out the most in ladder? I just need a style to focus on in order to improve with that and general ZvZ mechanics. Right now mutalisks are the most common on the ladder for sure. Most of my zvz's are muta wars. | ||
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THAmarx
65 Posts
I am watching a lot of gm streams. I noticed a lot of gm open muta in tvz. They go instead of fast upgrades for a spire and make around 10 mutas. Getting map control over the hellion reaper / sometimes banshee. And then getting upgrades more bases and stuff. Is this a style you would recommend? edit: when i asked the gm when he would do this he replied, only if they opened reaper. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 11 2013 21:49 THAmarx wrote: hey blade, I am watching a lot of gm streams. I noticed a lot of gm open muta in tvz. They go instead of fast upgrades for a spire and make around 10 mutas. Getting map control over the hellion reaper / sometimes banshee. And then getting upgrades more bases and stuff. Is this a style you would recommend? edit: when i asked the gm when he would do this he replied, only if they opened reaper. Um like fast 2 base muta? Opening muta is very common zvt but if it's 2 base muta it can be risky doing it but it can also be very good as well. | ||
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THAmarx
65 Posts
On December 11 2013 22:30 blade55555 wrote: Um like fast 2 base muta? Opening muta is very common zvt but if it's 2 base muta it can be risky doing it but it can also be very good as well. i would like to do the standard opener version. I like to have mapcontrol vs the reaper hellion and doing some presure forcing them to invest in missleturrets. My only problem is i dont know the optimal timings. | ||
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zerge
Germany162 Posts
If you want to go for the more standard 3 base opener and just skip the upgrades get your lair at 6:30. You will need speedlings to defend the early harass but you will have mutas earlier than most terrans expect it. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:39 THAmarx wrote: i would like to do the standard opener version. I like to have mapcontrol vs the reaper hellion and doing some presure forcing them to invest in missleturrets. My only problem is i dont know the optimal timings. the OP has a standard zvt muta build that I still do today and most zergs do some sort of variation of it. | ||
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straycat
230 Posts
I'm so gas starved always TT | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Ding Ding Ding the guide is finished - but wait theres more, whats that? a BONUS ALL in vs protoss?? order one solid game plan vs Aiur get one free! | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 13 2013 22:07 straycat wrote: ZvT vs reaper into cc. When do I take gas 3,4,5,6? I'm so gas starved always TT Hm a good timing is when you have 2 bases to start gas 3/4 (or when you start lair), I get my 5th/6th gas as my 3rd is about to be saturated. | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
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