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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
On October 25 2013 06:13 SC2Toastie wrote: Hihi! I still can't really beat Terrans - AT ALL -. If it were possible, I'd have a negative winrate :-) I can handilly get up to three base, start it between 6/7 minutes, having 1/1 near halfway done and Metabolic on the way. 4rth base gets added slightly late I think (when should I plant it?). My biggest problems; >Mutalisk control. I never know when to do anything with them. When is it safe, how many should I get, what do I use them for, etc. >4rth saturation. Until recently I had 6gas/6mineral drones in the 4rth, but recently, I feel like I just lack the minerals once things get going. > This is the point where I feel like I can start harassing. I send squads of 10-15 lings to the 3rd or natural, sometimes supplemented by some banelings. Should I combine this with Mutalisk assaults? >Transitioning into Hive: I get 3/3, Ultralisk, 3 Air and Adrenal. This is the biggest window of Weakness I feel. Should I skip the last two upgrades? >Hive Tech; What to do with the skies? Do I keep on adding Mutalisk or can I slowly add Infestors; How many? When to get broodlord tech? >How do I close the game out? Last game I had the Terran contained to 3 bases, me having a 6thj just started. In the end, he just managed to make 50/50 Marauder Marine and a ton of Mines, and I just died. I couldn't do anything about it (might have been helped by the map... Yeonsu seems kinda bad for ZvT ?). I don't know how I kill an entranched Terran, so usually, they just ball up again and kill me. Is this were the mutalisk come in? PS Is Yeonsu thrash for ZvT? I felt helpless with my ling runby's and surrounds.... Kind Regards Maybe you should try the Life ZvT build/strategy that was featured on Day9 daily maybe a month ago, maybe a bit longer. The point is bassically to bring the aggression to terran with ling/bane busts before they start fucking you up with MMMM. I also didn't really like mutas since they feel so sensitive to mines. This builds delays mutas a bit to favor gas into banelings, but you have to make sure to get them to stop the terran from dropping you, sooner or later. Usually I just win with the initial ling/bling bust, or with a followup. If not, I like to get ultras out pretty quickly in favor of getting a ton of mutas, but I guess that's a question of preference. My winrate is like over 80% vs Terran, and I had problems with the TvZ matchup before starting to use this strat. However, I'm really a plat/dia player but i fluked my placement match and was placed in gold for some reason, so those stats doesn't really say all that much, even if I think they say something. | ||
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Winged4ce
Canada1 Post
Hi, I'm new here and I hope I am posting in the right section. I just wanted some opinions on what I could have done for this game. http://drop.sc/363386 I'm the Zerg. I think I lost because my transition wasn't very good and I wasn't macroing very well. Thanks | ||
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Solanek
Romania7 Posts
- all the time when i got Harassmented i forghet what to build next (building order) and i start to play very badly .I do play zerg and i am in plat division. Any tips can you give me to improve meself and playing better when i am under Harassment? THANK YOU | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
I'm having trouble in ZvP, I feel kinda lost nothing i used to do seems to work anymore. I don't have much spare time lately so I'm having trouble coming up with strategies on my own. Does somebody know of ZvPs in form of Replay or Vod that the Zerg wins? This weekend isn't a good one so far, and it seems the soO vs. Parting and the Soulkey vs. Rain series are not publicly available... So I'm having trouble finding games :D Any link to any /edit highlevel (Gm and above because my level is ~1700 Masters EU right now) Replay (be it pack or singular) or Vod is much appreciated! P.S.: I don't want a guide, I prefer actual games | ||
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Terence Chill
Germany112 Posts
i have seen many zergs do this at the IEM NY, but i cant name any games. i think hyun and drg did this a lot, so you should look for those games. | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:27 Terence Chill wrote: have you tried the nexusblock by putting up a hatch at the protoss natural vs gate expand? yesterday i won with it vs 1800protoss while i am only at ~1500master eu. i have seen many zergs do this at the IEM NY, but i cant name any games. i think hyun and drg did this a lot, so you should look for those games. To be clear, as I guess I wasn't before (sorry), I want to study the match up to strengthen my ZvP via understanding. I don't want to just play a build, I want to know the intricacies of the matchup  For that I need high-level material (and not only P winning but Z as well) | ||
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SweKenZo
Sweden82 Posts
High diamond zerg here. Ive looking around TL for scouting routines for ZvT but havent found anything. My question is: When and how do you scout the Terran and what specificly are you looking for (how do you prepare for it)? Im greatful for any tips I can get : ) Cheers! | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On October 28 2013 21:03 SweKenZo wrote: Hey Guys! High diamond zerg here. Ive looking around TL for scouting routines for ZvT but havent found anything. My question is: When and how do you scout the Terran and what specificly are you looking for (how do you prepare for it)? Im greatful for any tips I can get : ) Cheers! A 10 drone scout will allow you to re-actively go 3 hatch or bane bust vs cc first. If he went reaper expand, you can expect the helions to leave his base at 6:20 ish. Don't quote me on that one  In any case, get an earlier roach warren. If you don't see any reapers, he could be waiting for a reaper-helion surprise attack. A lot can be taken from the initial scout of Terran's gas. | ||
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invisible.terran
United States280 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On October 30 2013 00:33 invisible.terran wrote: Hey guys, what's the general way to play against Gate Expand? This opening seems really versatile; they can either tech up or be greedy, or 4 gate all in. IMO 3 hatch is the best way to deal with a 1 gate expand. Just as gateway expanding is versatile, so are the options to play against it. If you go 3 hatch, your economy will be exponentially better, and also it will allow you to brush back the naniwa-style build where you go up to 4 gates and attack with zealot mothership; you should have enough economy to crush it, putting you quite ahead. If they tech up and play standard/greedy, they still won't be able to catch up to your superior economy, and you can go into vipers or swarm hosts from there. The key to play against gateway expand is SCOUT SCOUT SCOUT and map control. Sack at least 2 ovies to scout at appropriate times for any all-ins/tech, and always keep map control with your lings. Keep a couple outside their nat ramp and continously poke up to see what's up (toss will always build additional buildings at the nat ramp regardless of build), and scout around the map to take control of watch towers and deny any proxy pylons. On October 26 2013 22:42 Damnight wrote: Hey guys, I'm having trouble in ZvP, I feel kinda lost nothing i used to do seems to work anymore. I don't have much spare time lately so I'm having trouble coming up with strategies on my own. Does somebody know of ZvPs in form of Replay or Vod that the Zerg wins? This weekend isn't a good one so far, and it seems the soO vs. Parting and the Soulkey vs. Rain series are not publicly available... So I'm having trouble finding games :D Any link to any /edit highlevel (Gm and above because my level is ~1700 Masters EU right now) Replay (be it pack or singular) or Vod is much appreciated! P.S.: I don't want a guide, I prefer actual games Watch Soulkey vs. Trap from the WCS finals this weekend, he pretty much crushed him with some great strats and counters. Should be available on the WCS twitch and/or youtube | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:34 TRaFFiC wrote: send the overlord you build at 9 to your nat to watch if he's bunkering you. If he is, pull some drones and kill the scv. If the scv dies but the bunker is really close to being completed you may want to start a spine in the opposite side of your hatch, in case he brings another scv to finish the bunker. Hey all. Quick question. Terrans have been sneaking a bunker outside my nat or between my main and nat before my pool finishes. Then a reaper jumps in there and suddenly I'm forced to make a bunch of lings to clear it. What's the best way to deal with this and how many lings do I need to kill a bunker with 2 reapers in it? | ||
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Incand
143 Posts
On October 30 2013 03:42 SC2Toastie wrote: My Z v everything non Z on Yeonsu is terrible, is that just me or is the map terrible? All the chokes and pretty much always having high ground advantage against me, plus (this will sound weird) obtaining a 4rth is really hard, whilst killing a T/P forth is really hard... a lot of people claim its really bad for zerg actually.. but personally i really like it. got my highest winrate on that map 60%+ while im more at 50% on the rest. but.. preference i guess. its short distance so cant be hard but im usually the agressor and mutas can fly everywhere | ||
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Stazzle
Netherlands7 Posts
EDIT: here's my ggtracker if that helps (though i havent updated it in a while) http://ggtracker.com/players/1093244/Stazzle | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On October 30 2013 19:12 Stazzle wrote: I have a noob question. I'm still decently new to starcraft and i reached gold league. I have a really hard time with managing my minerals as zerg. After my game i see that i have an average of about 5k minerals unspent and honestly it starts from very early on. Is there anything i can do to practice? I really dont know what to spend on since i like playing reactively so getting my bases up before producing any units. EDIT: here's my ggtracker if that helps (though i havent updated it in a while) http://ggtracker.com/players/1093244/Stazzle One of the most important macro tips is spending your larva as you as it pops up. Usually, you want to spend an entire larva cycle on drones or units (not both). So in order to know when to spend larva on units or drones, you need to have good scouting information (overlords go into base at key times and 1 zergling at the front and at his potential expansions). PIG https://twitter.com/x5_PiG said it best. "Scout aggressively and make drones." | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On October 26 2013 16:28 Solanek wrote: Hello guys. I have some questions if you are to kinde to answer me pls : - all the time when i got Harassmented i forghet what to build next (building order) and i start to play very badly .I do play zerg and i am in plat division. Any tips can you give me to improve meself and playing better when i am under Harassment? THANK YOU Practice your buildorder vs AI until you can do it while sleeping basically! If you scout enough/ have enough mapcontrol (have Overlords in place for drops, creepspread etc) harassment shouldnt surprise you as much and it'll be easier to stick to your BO!  | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On October 30 2013 01:11 ffadicted wrote: IMO 3 hatch is the best way to deal with a 1 gate expand. Just as gateway expanding is versatile, so are the options to play against it. If you go 3 hatch, your economy will be exponentially better, and also it will allow you to brush back the naniwa-style build where you go up to 4 gates and attack with zealot mothership; you should have enough economy to crush it, putting you quite ahead. If they tech up and play standard/greedy, they still won't be able to catch up to your superior economy, and you can go into vipers or swarm hosts from there. The key to play against gateway expand is SCOUT SCOUT SCOUT and map control. Sack at least 2 ovies to scout at appropriate times for any all-ins/tech, and always keep map control with your lings. Keep a couple outside their nat ramp and continously poke up to see what's up (toss will always build additional buildings at the nat ramp regardless of build), and scout around the map to take control of watch towers and deny any proxy pylons. Watch Soulkey vs. Trap from the WCS finals this weekend, he pretty much crushed him with some great strats and counters. Should be available on the WCS twitch and/or youtube I feel as if only pros can do 3hatch before pool because on ladder you wont know if your opponent is GW-expanding or not until its too late for 3xhatch before pool (if you want to defend against things that requires a 15pool that is) | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On October 30 2013 19:12 Stazzle wrote: I have a noob question. I'm still decently new to starcraft and i reached gold league. I have a really hard time with managing my minerals as zerg. After my game i see that i have an average of about 5k minerals unspent and honestly it starts from very early on. Is there anything i can do to practice? I really dont know what to spend on since i like playing reactively so getting my bases up before producing any units. EDIT: here's my ggtracker if that helps (though i havent updated it in a while) http://ggtracker.com/players/1093244/Stazzle first of all, its important to get buildorders for all your matchups, after that, practice them! Practice your inject skills, as you play more, you will get better at spending all your larvae. An easier tip is to get a macro hatch when youre above 1k minerals, but if you just follow buildorders (feel free to copy the pros since youre new to the game, its a great way to start and when youve learned the basics and understand the game a bit better you can make your own builds ) there shoud never be average 5k minerals.tl;dr *Keep injecting throughout the game, always inject (there are great guides on TL that mentions different ways to inject). *Practice your builds and multitasking (I prefer to do it vs very easy AI so I can fully focus on my own game) until you dont have to think about what to do, you just do it. * if you bank 1k+ minerals because youre out of larvae, Get a macro hatch! (ALSO keep injecting!) | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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