EPT[D]8/8 proxy reaper rax tvt (and build intro) - Page 3
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 20 2013 22:42 Baum wrote: Well, i really thought the new reaper is going to be even more useless than in WOL but these proxy reaper builds are really tough to deal with. I would like it if Blizzard stopped trying to make the reaper some kind of harass unit rather than just a resilient scouting unit. This would make it possible to give it a faster build time and make it more feasible to get a reaper while fast expanding. They already are a resilient scouting unit in HotS. Health buff + speed buff + regen = you shouldn't really lose your reaper if you use it as a scout. | ||
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Elvin
149 Posts
That's right just nerf the reapers to the fucking ground again so Blizzard can make their 3rd shot with reapers in Legacy of the Void. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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ant-1
Canada149 Posts
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triforks
United States370 Posts
but u might still be able to kill the stalkers with reapers one at a time if you have good control. | ||
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horsepire
147 Posts
On February 20 2013 10:14 JustTray wrote: Overall I like the new reaper strategies that will develop. I think it makes it more a rock,paper, scissors matchup in TvT compared to WoL where it was stale and one dimensional. I love rock paper scissors! So many possibilities! ... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 20 2013 23:54 horsepire wrote: I love rock paper scissors! So many possibilities! ... I think it's nice in a mirror matchup when there is plenty of openings, all somewhat good, and every opening has strengths and weaknesses and gets slightly countered by another build. The early PvP / pre-queen patch ZvZ kind of rock paper scissors is bad though. On February 20 2013 23:24 Baum wrote: @ZenithM That wasn't my point. I think in a straight up game the reaper is a too big investment in terms of building time and requiring you to build a refinery and mine 50 gas. If it was merely a scout rather than also a harassing unit the build time and cost could be reduced and terran would have a way of reliably scouting which Protoss all in is incoming. Maybe this is a bad idea but I would like it better than where we're at right now. I think you're right that if you just want a passive macro build with some scouting option, teching to reaper is too big of an investment. When I open with 1 reaper in WoL, I like to use that small early flow of gas to set up some specific timing that I couldn't do with a normal 1 rax CC. For example, I make my 1 reaper, I leave only 1 or 2 guys in gas, make a CC, 4 rax total, research combat shield, and hit a mass marines with cs timing. I think there might be similar small non all in or defensive timings with a reaper opening in HotS. For example, it's reasonably fast to tech to factory behind a reaper, depending on what you scout. | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
On February 20 2013 23:36 ant-1 wrote: Would this build work in TvP? 3:30 is a hell of an early timing. If proxy is not discovered and P skips Zealot, what can he do? Chrono boost out the stalker. If they go nexus first they would lose. When i tried it against toss they always built the zealot, and then they got out a couple stalkers and it was very difficult to take them out. I have seen QXC do more economic reaper openings for harrass and edge out a lead with it, but I don't this rush is effective in the TvP matchup. | ||
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ThisIsJimmy
United States546 Posts
On February 20 2013 17:14 PulseKane wrote: you're doing it wrong. you dont need to build bunkers, they only serve as a safe-place for the reapers while they heal. you dont kill buildings with the reapers, you go straight after drones and queens once you have 3-4 reapers. zerg has to get speed out early because spines are too easily dodged. Hmm maybe you are right... I will look into this next time I play. Queens may be too hard to kill/get around though. + it takes 6 shots to kill a drone T_T | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
I really wonder if there is viable way to counter it. My guess is : Everybody is gonna do proxy reapers, then every body is gonna blind counter it with X economicaly shitty build. TvT is gonna develop around an economicaly shitty defensive build order ! | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
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Stingart
122 Posts
On February 21 2013 23:40 algue wrote: I tryed it, 100% win rate with it atm. I just lost once because I forgot that reaper don't need tech lab anymore, I built a lab tech on each rax --' :/ | ||
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TheSwagger
United States92 Posts
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Grubbegrabbn
Sweden174 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On February 22 2013 16:16 Grubbegrabbn wrote: I saw TLO defend something like this (1st reaper arrived just as pool finished) yesterday with cute micro. Lost a grand total of 1 drone while queens were building. A combo of running away and morphing damaged drones to various buildings, all timely cancelled. Definitely no problem to defend for a pro. For the rest of us... dunno That sounds like a slightly late proxy reaper compared to what I have seen on Idra and other good Zergs streams. | ||
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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Dvriel
607 Posts
Blizzard should be proud of this unit.Reaper still good only in TvT.Rest of the MU is a dead weight and totally useless. mothergoose,enjoy your skill practicing this cheese,instead of learning the game and trying to be better macro player.... | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:31 Dvriel wrote: I suppose the threadmaker is soo proud of his strategy...Playing TvT that cheesy is so dumb..Yesterday I lost vs this thing and saw even Avilo losing.He said,you need to scout the proxy and make bunkers,but when are you going to scout if he is going for 8/8/8??? Blizzard should be proud of this unit.Reaper still good only in TvT.Rest of the MU is a dead weight and totally useless. mothergoose,enjoy your skill practicing this cheese,instead of learning the game and trying to be better macro player.... Cheese is a form of play, no different than a chess player who specialises in winning under 15 moves. | ||
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