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So I have been doing double proxy reaper rax at 8 supply and I haven't lost with it yet... except to another kid that went 8 rax proxy reaper and turtled afterward. I am not a terribly skilled player, and my opponents are not uber skilled either, but so far it seems like a build that could break TvT.
The build order couldn't be any simpler:
8 depot
8 rax
8 refinery
8 rax
reaper @ first rax
scv
reapers and scvs constantly off two rax
Eventually you save up enough minerals to get an orbital command and expand, but it never gets that far.
How to use the reapers: Target units every chance you get. 1 reaper beats one marines, 3 reapers beats 4 or 5 marines with good micro. Even if you are out number, do some picking damage, retreat, heal, and do it again. If they build a bunker go around the bunker. If they split their units kill off one set of units and then roll over their base.
I think a terran that went blind 12/13 rax could have enough marines to hold off and get ahead on units, and then can build a bunker or to in the right places to zone out the reapers.
With this build I have beat 1 rax expand, 11 gas into fast hellions, and more economic reaper openings into tech lab and mauraders. Against all of these builds it wasn't really very close. 8/8 proxy reaper rush seems like a BO win against all of these on most maps.
I started this thread to generate some discussion about the build and what it means for the TvT matchup. It seems clear to me that this build hard counters a lot of other popular tvt build, both from HOTS and WOL. Even if the reaper player messes up and get surrounded and losses units carelessly, as the reaper rush player you can still just take out a handful of marines and 6 scvs here and there, double expand, and end up even or ahead. Weird as it sounds I have played games just like this. While I am having fun cheesing my terran brethren and getting free wins on the ladder, I am really curious as to what a more economically focused terran player could do to stop it.
A few replays. Including the game I lost to another proxy reaper player:
http://www.mediafire.com/?pk4l5r6x53154q1
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could you provide some replays? I'm interested in seeing this in action.
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definitely a PITA, however, I've found that with low reaper count the defenders job is to utilize workers and whatever units theyre producing from the rax to kill the reapers asap. This usually entails trapping the reaper or blocking it from exiting, effectively trying to predict or force a pathway, split the scvs, etc. I've successfully defended attacks like this going CC first. I've also found that the best way to fight reapers is to make some reapers 
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On February 20 2013 08:09 TheSwagger wrote:definitely a PITA, however, I've found that with low reaper count the defenders job is to utilize workers and whatever units theyre producing from the rax to kill the reapers asap. This usually entails trapping the reaper or blocking it from exiting, effectively trying to predict or force a pathway, split the scvs, etc. I've successfully defended attacks like this going CC first. I've also found that the best way to fight reapers is to make some reapers
Care to share some replays if you have them? I would like to point out that, in tvt, 8 rax reaper rushes are really a very different animal then 11 rax reaper pressures and other such more economic reaper openings. The first reaper is in your base by about 3:30. By 4 ish minutes there are three reapers out and it goes two at at time until one of the two players break.
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every terran is using this build right now.. pita i must say.
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On February 20 2013 08:27 mau5mat wrote:
Is this MKP's doing?
He does it with 1 rax and then goes into hellbat drop
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how do you stop this i try to got for 1/1/1 but its to late.
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888!!! Best build
I really liked it in TvZ HotS until they nerfed the damage on reaper. Doesn't work anymore. Might still be good TvT though... I normally only did it TvZ.
Like you said you just kill as many workers as you can and then expand behind it. You can actually play somewhat normal games after opening with it.
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Doesn't work against zerg. It simply doesn't.
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On February 20 2013 09:18 fatalslaughter wrote:
Doesn't work against zerg. It simply doesn't.
It works against zerg. You need to build a bunker instead of a second rax and go 1 rax reaper. if the bunker goes up and you can kill off a lot of lings you can start taking out queens and it can snowball.
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On February 20 2013 09:18 fatalslaughter wrote:
Doesn't work against zerg. It simply doesn't.
lol yeah it does. This is ridiculously fucking hard to defend as zerg. I managed to win against a player who did this just because his micro sucked that I was able to break down his wall with a counter-attack with speedlings (which shouldn't happen).
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Hmm...
From the HotS changes I knew reapers were coming back. This is a bit cheesier than I anticipated.
Can you proxy this build too? Or is that not necessary?
Overall I like the new reaper strategies that will develop. I think it makes it more a rock,paper, scissors matchup in TvT compared to WoL where it was stale and one dimensional.
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On February 20 2013 10:09 nebula. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 09:18 fatalslaughter wrote:
Doesn't work against zerg. It simply doesn't. lol yeah it does. This is ridiculously fucking hard to defend as zerg. I managed to win against a player who did this just because his micro sucked that I was able to break down his wall with a counter-attack with speedlings (which shouldn't happen).
Silver is a hell of a league.
User was warned for this post
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On February 20 2013 10:27 fatalslaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 10:09 nebula. wrote:On February 20 2013 09:18 fatalslaughter wrote:
Doesn't work against zerg. It simply doesn't. lol yeah it does. This is ridiculously fucking hard to defend as zerg. I managed to win against a player who did this just because his micro sucked that I was able to break down his wall with a counter-attack with speedlings (which shouldn't happen). Silver is a hell of a league.
Wow didn't realize pro zergs were silver level. Should probably know something about the game before spouting out false information. It's very powerful right now at high level of play.
It's incredibly popular that korean pro's do a ton.
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Scouting it in time is pretty hard on some maps. So I usually wall in one side of my Minerals and put a Bunker on the other side. If someone goes to heavy with Reapers I can just run over them.
Really like this Reaper stuff as it reduces the occurrence of greedy openings, which I personally dislike to do myself. Also fighting Reapers is fun, as you can let them in and trap them with a Building or a Racks positioned perfectly to build an Addon closing the only way out.
On the other hand TvT is my favorite matchup and now everyone fails with their cheese. Well not everyone ... this build is damn strong. We might end up with teclab again but reduced build time.
Feels a bit like fighting Dragoons just that these things can jump up cliffs, but just tickle buildings. Wonder if we will end up with anti Reaper Mains again, like we had in WoL for a time.
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On February 20 2013 08:09 TheSwagger wrote:definitely a PITA, however, I've found that with low reaper count the defenders job is to utilize workers and whatever units theyre producing from the rax to kill the reapers asap. This usually entails trapping the reaper or blocking it from exiting, effectively trying to predict or force a pathway, split the scvs, etc. I've successfully defended attacks like this going CC first. I've also found that the best way to fight reapers is to make some reapers
What is PITA?
Never mind
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Lol i just ran into this in ZvT... 15h16p ends up his first reaper gets to your base the second your pool pops out
Then you have to lose like 4 drones while ur lings wait to pop out, then you lose infinite lings until your queens pop out, then you can lose your queen at one base before your 2nd queen pops out cuz he has 3 reapers.
Not so sure this is balanced yet... .....?
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On February 20 2013 08:27 mau5mat wrote:
Is this MKP's doing?
I've seen the build very early on in his match history's build orders. Wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the first to abuse the shit ouf of this ;D
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