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Protoss versus Zerg: The Guide - Page 31

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There are no plans for a guide to other match-ups at this time. This guide was an entirely organic effort from TL community members of similar interests.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 29 2012 17:09 GMT
#601
On November 30 2012 01:32 ineversmile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 07:42 monk. wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .

Tbh, I would accept donations if we actually had expenses when making the guide. But there's honestly nothing significant I can think of and I don't want to take money from people if it's not directly going to help with the upkeep and maintenance of this guide or to help with the writing of future guides. If anyone has any ideas of ways money could actually go to the guide, I'd be up for that.

In other news, thanks for everyone who responded to me, offering to volunteer for future updates/guides. I now have a team of at least 10 additional people who offered to do busy work. And even though there are no concrete plans for a future guide, there will probably be future guides. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but I'm currently trying to recruit a team of guide-writers from other races. Hopefully, one day, we can get all 9 match-ups.


Have you considered that your time is worth an amount of money? How many hours were spent putting this together?

Guess
Moderator
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
November 29 2012 18:46 GMT
#602
Are you f***ing kidding me??? OMG so much content. CRAZY. Even crazier is that I think I will read it all
Joneleth
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark90 Posts
November 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#603
On November 28 2012 20:02 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 19:59 Joneleth wrote:
On November 28 2012 19:57 Teoita wrote:
Do you have any vods of pro games with that build?


No I dont have any on the top of my head, and Im not keen on spending more time on the subject, just wanted to inform about it. But hey take it or leave it, I'll be more than happy to kill unsuspecting protoss who imagine I wont be aggressive.


Well the standard we set for the guide was to only include statements that can be backed by a relevant Vod or replay, so all we could do at this point is slightly reword that part.

We'll try to keep the guide updated for HotS afaik, but it will be a while until the game stabilizes so there will be a period in which it won't be too relevant.


First game of Stephano vs Hero in IPL 5
Rape is such an ugly word, lets call it surprise sex!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 21:28:59
November 29 2012 21:24 GMT
#604
That was absolutely not comparable to a roach max or any other kind of meaingful, scary aggression, it's just one round of injects in lings...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
November 29 2012 21:29 GMT
#605
monk, why so awesome?
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
Joneleth
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark90 Posts
November 29 2012 21:37 GMT
#606
On November 30 2012 06:24 Teoita wrote:
That was absolutely not comparable to a roach max or any other kind of meaingful, scary aggression, it's just one round of injects in lings...



Stephano vs Hero game 2 IPL5, 30 lings done at 8:30 mark, Hero never expanded but attacked so they were used defensively but they more than had aggressive potentiel.
Rape is such an ugly word, lets call it surprise sex!
Joneleth
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark90 Posts
November 29 2012 21:58 GMT
#607
On November 30 2012 06:24 Teoita wrote:
That was absolutely not comparable to a roach max or any other kind of meaingful, scary aggression, it's just one round of injects in lings...


Stephano vs Hero game 3 IPL 5, 20-40 lings done at 8:20-8:30 WITH speed done, dont tell me that has no aggressive potentiel if the protoss is expanding.
Rape is such an ugly word, lets call it surprise sex!
moQbara
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania76 Posts
November 29 2012 22:01 GMT
#608
This is incredible and awesome. And will probably remain in SC2 history .
I am a noob
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 29 2012 22:19 GMT
#609
On November 30 2012 06:58 Joneleth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 06:24 Teoita wrote:
That was absolutely not comparable to a roach max or any other kind of meaingful, scary aggression, it's just one round of injects in lings...


Stephano vs Hero game 3 IPL 5, 20-40 lings done at 8:20-8:30 WITH speed done, dont tell me that has no aggressive potentiel if the protoss is expanding.


That was ling aggression off speed before lair. It can be done off of any 3base zerg opening pretty much.

You are just confusing things. Stephano's pvz early/midgame lately is a combination of that poke and double evo chamber, but the two aren't necessarily linked.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Joneleth
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark90 Posts
November 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#610
On November 30 2012 07:19 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 06:58 Joneleth wrote:
On November 30 2012 06:24 Teoita wrote:
That was absolutely not comparable to a roach max or any other kind of meaingful, scary aggression, it's just one round of injects in lings...


Stephano vs Hero game 3 IPL 5, 20-40 lings done at 8:20-8:30 WITH speed done, dont tell me that has no aggressive potentiel if the protoss is expanding.


That was ling aggression off speed before lair. It can be done off of any 3base zerg opening pretty much.

You are just confusing things. Stephano's pvz early/midgame lately is a combination of that poke and double evo chamber, but the two aren't necessarily linked.


It *can* be done with any BO but if isnt done with any BO, typical a zerg will get lair before ling speed if his going roach heavy to get roach speed faster, and its infinitely more likely that it happens if the zerg is going double evo. If Hero had expanded then stephano would have followed those lings up with alot more units to punish the 3rd.

But I can see this is going nowhere, for some reason you do not think 30 speed lings in the toss 3rd at a time when toss usually has 5-6 units out is noteworthy aggression but more of a "poke"
Rape is such an ugly word, lets call it surprise sex!
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
November 30 2012 02:41 GMT
#611
On November 30 2012 02:09 monk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 01:32 ineversmile wrote:
On November 29 2012 07:42 monk. wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .

Tbh, I would accept donations if we actually had expenses when making the guide. But there's honestly nothing significant I can think of and I don't want to take money from people if it's not directly going to help with the upkeep and maintenance of this guide or to help with the writing of future guides. If anyone has any ideas of ways money could actually go to the guide, I'd be up for that.

In other news, thanks for everyone who responded to me, offering to volunteer for future updates/guides. I now have a team of at least 10 additional people who offered to do busy work. And even though there are no concrete plans for a future guide, there will probably be future guides. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but I'm currently trying to recruit a team of guide-writers from other races. Hopefully, one day, we can get all 9 match-ups.


Have you considered that your time is worth an amount of money? How many hours were spent putting this together?

Guess


It was more of a rhetorical question. This project clearly took a lot of work. Even though it was something for the community, it took a lot of damn effort. Out of respect for you and the others who helped put this together, I think it would be reasonable if you took donations to a relatively low limit and just budgeted in a small hourly wage for your time. Even the non-corrupt non-profit organizations still pay their workers; a man has to eat.
Nostradamus.146@AM, Nostradamus.398@KR, Nostradamus.922@EU http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/ins
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
December 02 2012 01:39 GMT
#612
Once Heart of the Swarm is released, and the game starts to settle; are there any plans to update it to be usable in Heart of the Swarm? Or will this stay a WoL PvZ guide?
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
December 02 2012 01:42 GMT
#613
On November 30 2012 11:41 ineversmile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:09 monk. wrote:
On November 30 2012 01:32 ineversmile wrote:
On November 29 2012 07:42 monk. wrote:
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .

Tbh, I would accept donations if we actually had expenses when making the guide. But there's honestly nothing significant I can think of and I don't want to take money from people if it's not directly going to help with the upkeep and maintenance of this guide or to help with the writing of future guides. If anyone has any ideas of ways money could actually go to the guide, I'd be up for that.

In other news, thanks for everyone who responded to me, offering to volunteer for future updates/guides. I now have a team of at least 10 additional people who offered to do busy work. And even though there are no concrete plans for a future guide, there will probably be future guides. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but I'm currently trying to recruit a team of guide-writers from other races. Hopefully, one day, we can get all 9 match-ups.


Have you considered that your time is worth an amount of money? How many hours were spent putting this together?

Guess


It was more of a rhetorical question. This project clearly took a lot of work. Even though it was something for the community, it took a lot of damn effort. Out of respect for you and the others who helped put this together, I think it would be reasonable if you took donations to a relatively low limit and just budgeted in a small hourly wage for your time. Even the non-corrupt non-profit organizations still pay their workers; a man has to eat.

Yea, but with donations, I doubt we'll even break $1/hour of work.

On December 02 2012 10:39 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Once Heart of the Swarm is released, and the game starts to settle; are there any plans to update it to be usable in Heart of the Swarm? Or will this stay a WoL PvZ guide?

Yes. No.
Moderator
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 02 2012 02:15 GMT
#614
On December 02 2012 10:39 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Once Heart of the Swarm is released, and the game starts to settle; are there any plans to update it to be usable in Heart of the Swarm? Or will this stay a WoL PvZ guide?


I imagine they would create a new one all together so that people who stay playing WoL for whatever reason can read this one and since their different games as well.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
December 02 2012 02:31 GMT
#615
On December 02 2012 10:39 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Once Heart of the Swarm is released, and the game starts to settle; are there any plans to update it to be usable in Heart of the Swarm? Or will this stay a WoL PvZ guide?


Monk is assembling a number of people to work on the strat forum in general. I believe the plans are currently to hold off on MAJOR enormous projects like this one until well after HotS release. The amount of time it took to do this guide and the amount of time before HotS completely changes everything don't seem too congruent.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Zergrusher
Profile Joined November 2011
United States562 Posts
December 02 2012 02:32 GMT
#616
This is a extremely well made Guide.
probeater
Profile Joined October 2012
124 Posts
December 02 2012 15:12 GMT
#617
I now have no excuse for losing against zerg, even infestors because no one in gold/plat ever uses them
I have a Dark Templar Statue at home.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
December 03 2012 14:46 GMT
#618
On December 03 2012 00:12 probeater wrote:
I now have no excuse for losing against zerg, even infestors because no one in gold/plat ever uses them

This is a crazy thought to me. They really don't use their best unit?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 14:52:14
December 03 2012 14:52 GMT
#619
Sometimes master's can't either don't worry. Chargelots smash into them and they go WTFISTHISSHITOMGOMGOMG,
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
probeater
Profile Joined October 2012
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 00:11:08
December 03 2012 21:16 GMT
#620
most golds have no idea infestors exist, while plats usually only get 3-4 if any, plus they bring them SO close to my army to fungal that they just die instantly :D
I have a Dark Templar Statue at home.
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