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Protoss versus Zerg: The Guide - Page 30

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There are no plans for a guide to other match-ups at this time. This guide was an entirely organic effort from TL community members of similar interests.
Shizzabamman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States71 Posts
November 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#581
Absolutely amazing how much content in just a few short years of this game being out, and so much more to be discovered
nicopower5000
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France252 Posts
November 28 2012 17:55 GMT
#582
Amazing work, contents are easy to read and well explicated
GG
Chupacabra(UCSD)
Profile Joined December 2009
Mexico225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 18:24:00
November 28 2012 18:23 GMT
#583
Amazing guide thank you so much! Ever since I switched to random I've been having such a hard time vs Zerg. I think the main issue is that since Zergs were so underpowered for such a long time, zerg players had to overcome so much adversity and practice so hard that once they received a few buffs that set them even with other races, well... zerg players skill level in general did all the talking. AMAZING WORK.
Never pass up a good thing.
Shadow_Boxer
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2 Posts
November 28 2012 18:37 GMT
#584
Beautifully done guys. If you need any more man power for future projects send me a message and ill gladly help. Keep up the good work and thank you to everyone who worked on this project, you guys make me realize how much I love the Starcraft 2 community.
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer. Bruce Lee
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
November 28 2012 19:32 GMT
#585
Wonderful work, guys/girls. In depth, very detailed, and well written.
Shame I can't use it, being Terran, but it should help me follow and understand the PvZ matches in tournaments I'm watching. Kudos.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Channel Pressure
Profile Joined July 2011
United States62 Posts
November 28 2012 19:51 GMT
#586
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .
"A pastor I was listening to was talking about Job and referenced that his belongings had been burned down by marauders -- and heres where I blew it -- I immediately and arbitrarily replied aloud, "Were they stimmed?"
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
November 28 2012 22:34 GMT
#587
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .


If you read the big white box over the thread

There are no plans for a guide to other match-ups at this time. This guide was an entirely organic effort from TL community members of similar interests.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 22:47:24
November 28 2012 22:42 GMT
#588
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .

Tbh, I would accept donations if we actually had expenses when making the guide. But there's honestly nothing significant I can think of and I don't want to take money from people if it's not directly going to help with the upkeep and maintenance of this guide or to help with the writing of future guides. If anyone has any ideas of ways money could actually go to the guide, I'd be up for that.

In other news, thanks for everyone who responded to me, offering to volunteer for future updates/guides. I now have a team of at least 10 additional people who offered to do busy work. And even though there are no concrete plans for a future guide, there will probably be future guides. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but I'm currently trying to recruit a team of guide-writers from other races. Hopefully, one day, we can get all 9 match-ups.
Moderator
danceking
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden20 Posts
November 28 2012 22:44 GMT
#589
As i recently decided to do somewhat of a switch into protoss (platinum), i've found this guide tremendously helping.
Mostly it has helped me with timings, which i find crucial for the todays PvZ. Also, the viable late-game setups.

This will be my bible and my coursework.
Thanks to monk, Alejandrisha, CecilSunkure, rsvp, Teoita, wo1fwood, Blazinghand, and others.
Don't think, feel
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
November 29 2012 02:30 GMT
#590
I have never seen a guide like this. I must say, this is crazy good work.....epic guide
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
somekindofnick
Profile Joined November 2012
Czech Republic2 Posts
November 29 2012 03:50 GMT
#591
Very nice reading and work but it is sad,that there isnt something similar for ZvP/T/Z.
Je lepsi se o neco snazit, nez to predem vzdat.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
November 29 2012 09:45 GMT
#592
Now I want to play protoss. Amazing.
CBlastoise
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden18 Posts
November 29 2012 12:21 GMT
#593
Greatest guide I have EVER seen. It's ... just ... so... beautiful :')
Mahtasooma
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany475 Posts
November 29 2012 13:42 GMT
#594
The sad part is that it has been 9 months work which is only relevant for 5 months tops...
http://twitch.tv/mahtasooma
HighTempura
Profile Joined October 2012
United States54 Posts
November 29 2012 14:49 GMT
#595
Awesome guide and really great in-depth explanations. I think there is a typo in the Hero Stargate FEE build though:

On November 23 2012 03:49 monk. wrote:
Hero standard build(Stargate into Robo into 4 Gate)
Recommended Build Order:

From the first Gateway-Zealot, Stalker, Zealot, Sentry.
5:30: Stargate with your first 150 gas.
6:45: 3rd gas.
Stargate units: 1 Void Ray, 5 Phoenixes, optional 2nd Void Ray.
7:10: Robo.
7:50: +1 Weapons.
7:50: 4th gas.
8:25: 3 extra Gates.
Robo units: Observer, Immortals as necessary .
10:20 (ideally): 3rd Nexus; because of the initally low unit count it might be delayed .
10:50: 2 extra Gates.

Pretty sure the 3rd gas timing should be at 5:45 and not at 6:45.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 29 2012 14:54 GMT
#596
It's correct actually. HerO delays his gas a TON with that build since he gets such late sentries and +1.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
HighTempura
Profile Joined October 2012
United States54 Posts
November 29 2012 15:05 GMT
#597
On November 29 2012 23:54 Teoita wrote:
It's correct actually. HerO delays his gas a TON with that build since he gets such late sentries and +1.

Wow I thought most stargate builds get 3rd gas before stargate and 4th gas once it finishes. Do the extra minerals help with getting the faster robo? Isn't it a bit unsafe to delay your sentry in case of any Zerg all ins?
Kusuri
Profile Joined May 2011
Austria29 Posts
November 29 2012 15:18 GMT
#598
Impressive and amazing. Thank you very much for your hard work! Very much appreciated.
Resistance is futile!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 29 2012 15:30 GMT
#599
On November 30 2012 00:05 HighTempura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 23:54 Teoita wrote:
It's correct actually. HerO delays his gas a TON with that build since he gets such late sentries and +1.

Wow I thought most stargate builds get 3rd gas before stargate and 4th gas once it finishes. Do the extra minerals help with getting the faster robo? Isn't it a bit unsafe to delay your sentry in case of any Zerg all ins?


You wouldn't go into that specific stargate build that cuts sentries if you don't see the third hatch. You can reactively choose to do something like that, or a different build (like mc's) that gets faster sentries off 3 gasses.

I agree it's a bit of a funky build, but it does work out really well.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 16:32:59
November 29 2012 16:32 GMT
#600
On November 29 2012 07:42 monk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 04:51 Channel Pressure wrote:
Any plans for another matchup writeup in the future? Im serious about the donation, does TL have a way to donate to TL? I know you guys didn't do it for that but. . Well tis the season I guess .

Tbh, I would accept donations if we actually had expenses when making the guide. But there's honestly nothing significant I can think of and I don't want to take money from people if it's not directly going to help with the upkeep and maintenance of this guide or to help with the writing of future guides. If anyone has any ideas of ways money could actually go to the guide, I'd be up for that.

In other news, thanks for everyone who responded to me, offering to volunteer for future updates/guides. I now have a team of at least 10 additional people who offered to do busy work. And even though there are no concrete plans for a future guide, there will probably be future guides. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but I'm currently trying to recruit a team of guide-writers from other races. Hopefully, one day, we can get all 9 match-ups.


Have you considered that your time is worth an amount of money? How many hours were spent putting this together?
Nostradamus.146@AM, Nostradamus.398@KR, Nostradamus.922@EU http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/ins
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