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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20335 Posts
December 11 2012 05:14 GMT
#61
Why are you making four gateways? You dont have enough gas to constantly produce stalkers from 3 gates if you are hitting your warp cycles, and adding robo, twilight, blink and obs (425 gas) makes that lack of production power extremely obvious.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
December 11 2012 08:36 GMT
#62
It happens with blink/obs PvP builds that commit heavily to aggression as well. The reasoning is simply that if you are focusing on microing blink stalkers, you will very likely not hit your warp in rounds efficiently. Even MC goes 4gate with this build.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1991 Posts
December 11 2012 08:51 GMT
#63
On December 11 2012 17:36 Teoita wrote:
It happens with blink/obs PvP builds that commit heavily to aggression as well. The reasoning is simply that if you are focusing on microing blink stalkers, you will very likely not hit your warp in rounds efficiently. Even MC goes 4gate with this build.


Yes, you also need the 4 gates to hit your first 2 rounds of warpins because of the gas that you have banked up.
geiko.813 (EU)
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
December 11 2012 09:27 GMT
#64
A very nice way of executing this build is to disguise it as a 1 gate fe that operates off of 2 gas. Ive seen hero do it quite often

He'll go 1 gate into double gas on 15-16 and only saturate each geyser with 2 probes. the scv will scout it and the terran wont know for sure if you are teching since you have 2 geysers or just going for a 1 gate FE with a higher sentry count (because you are only mining with 4 probes which isnt a total gas commitment either)

Once your first stalker is out you use it to deny the scout from the terran, fully saturate your gasses and go on with the blink build (2 more gates, robo, blink etc..)

I think the more protoss use the 4 probes in gas and 1 gate FE, the more convincing this build will become and the harder it will be for terran to predict without burning a scan (something they dont really want to do before 8mins)
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 16:26:49
December 11 2012 16:03 GMT
#65
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TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
December 11 2012 16:50 GMT
#66
As à terran this is The nightmare i dream of Every night, but as protoss Its awesome!
''you got to yolo things up to win''
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
December 11 2012 20:09 GMT
#67
This build is very very strong. If you go 1 gate fe with the 16/16 gas often and mix this in it is deadly. I'd really like to see a guide on the non allin version where you get the twilight robo after 1gate expand and do blink pressure.
zheng
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
December 12 2012 08:41 GMT
#68
the more protoss does this the better, because i am terran and they always lose doing this, same for hots when 4 out of 5 p will 4gate core blink off 1 base lol

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trying to get better
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
December 12 2012 11:59 GMT
#69
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kuruptt
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada168 Posts
January 21 2013 10:05 GMT
#70
Any updates to this build? is this build still considered the best all in for pVt?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 11:19:12
January 21 2013 11:03 GMT
#71
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 03:27:46
January 30 2013 03:22 GMT
#72
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sudosu
Profile Joined October 2011
France120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 04:17:27
January 30 2013 04:15 GMT
#73
As a guy who 1 rax fe 95% of the time vs Protoss, this is the build I hate the most in sc2 history. So freaking powerful. Even when you learn to perfectly scout and deal with it, you can lose at any time.
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
December 16 2013 18:45 GMT
#74
Is there any updated version of this build for HOTS using MSC instead of observer. I couldnt find anywhere.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
December 16 2013 19:14 GMT
#75
haha i remember this guide, i love this build.

this is all that i know of

http://imbabuilds.com/hots-protoss/hots-pvt/pvt-sages-blink-all-in/
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 16 2013 21:12 GMT
#76
On December 17 2013 03:45 SorrowShine wrote:
Is there any updated version of this build for HOTS using MSC instead of observer. I couldnt find anywhere.


Yes there is
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435336

It's off 2 base with MSC, but it's almost strictly better to do this kind of stuff off 2 base rather than 1 nowadays. You don't hit much later than 1 base build since msc + blink takes quite some time anyway and it's far harder to read what's happening. You'll hit slightly later but with 5-6 gates instead of the 3 to 4 just 1 base can support.
Littlesheep
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada217 Posts
December 17 2013 15:53 GMT
#77
On December 17 2013 06:12 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:45 SorrowShine wrote:
Is there any updated version of this build for HOTS using MSC instead of observer. I couldnt find anywhere.


Yes there is
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435336

It's off 2 base with MSC, but it's almost strictly better to do this kind of stuff off 2 base rather than 1 nowadays. You don't hit much later than 1 base build since msc + blink takes quite some time anyway and it's far harder to read what's happening. You'll hit slightly later but with 5-6 gates instead of the 3 to 4 just 1 base can support.


Th 2base hits over a minute later, which pretty much means you're playing against Stim at that point.
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