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REM.ca
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada354 Posts
May 22 2013 22:41 GMT
#901
I've been using the Staircase to improve my macro. It's a lot of fun to do so in this way. It's helped my macro and my psychological approach to the game a lot more than it's helped my win rate but whatever..all in good time I suppose.

The "have more stuff" league including bronze to plat seems like a myth from my experience. I'm in silver with platinum spending skill, getting into fights with 60 food leads and still losing because of tech. But I'm finding satisfaction in knowing that at least up to that point I had a huge lead. Just gotta adapt to make it work now.

Anyways, thanks for the cool step by step program!
I have a palm permanently stuck to my face yo.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 22 2013 23:57 GMT
#902
On May 23 2013 07:41 REM.ca wrote:
The "have more stuff" league including bronze to plat seems like a myth from my experience. I'm in silver with platinum spending skill, getting into fights with 60 food leads and still losing because of tech. But I'm finding satisfaction in knowing that at least up to that point I had a huge lead. Just gotta adapt to make it work now.

With GM spending skill it's pretty easy to make it into Platinum with no-upgrade Marines. Just adding upgrades was enough to bump me up into Diamond.
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 04:05:30
May 23 2013 04:04 GMT
#903
On May 23 2013 07:41 REM.ca wrote:
The "have more stuff" league including bronze to plat seems like a myth from my experience. I'm in silver with platinum spending skill, getting into fights with 60 food leads and still losing because of tech. But I'm finding satisfaction in knowing that at least up to that point I had a huge lead. Just gotta adapt to make it work now.


I've had the same experience as Antylamon. I'm playing unranked and constantly versing Platinum players with tier 1 units (I play Random) without upgrades. I sometimes win with Marines, but it's much harder with zealots/lings!

EDIT: I try to keep it GM spending, which is proving difficult with gas and tech to worry about!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 08:04:24
May 23 2013 08:03 GMT
#904
On May 23 2013 04:51 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:47 rezzan wrote:
I think the amount of "forever bronze" players will go down to almost zero now.. except the ppl that are inactive of course,

the ppl that are like " im to bad / i get frustrated when i lose so i stop playing for a while" type of players will easily go up in rank.

Ive 2 times already gone up to for example platinum.. and if theres any bronze players here, that wonders if it was hard.. id say no.

the first time , i went bronze>platinum i played for 3hours straight and it took me 13 Total games to get to platinum.

and last time (2 days ago) it took me 12 games from silver>platinum, so its super easy.. ive met alot of platinum players that play and act like bronze players, so its not hard at all anymore, it was hard in hots, took long sometimes. But i dont think ill see a bronze league player with 5000 games and still in bronze ever again.

(Sorry if this made no sense, its 4am and im tired so my english sucks lol)


I have friends who are Bronze with 3000+ games played And my GF can't get to platinum even if she's got a reaaallly good macro (don't know how). (I'm amazed at a gold player with 85% inject, 10seconds max supply block and GM spending skill) but... still in gold. And she plays 6 to 8games a day...

What the actual hell

Does she mass Drones or something?


Not really. She's just really good at macro but don't know how to pick a fight. And don't know how to deal with early pressure. But if you let her alone... God forbid you lol (i saw her destroy a diamond player without any micro (because she don't know how) just because of remax and A move lol).
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 23 2013 12:55 GMT
#905
@rude

She likely isn't playing agressively. If you can encourage her to do so, she'll likely increase her win rate.

@everyone
Keep in mind, that a big part of TheStaircase that is missing right now is a benchmark that shows how efficiently you are gathering resources. A player can have an excellent spending skill but not be making workers properly and lose games as a result. We're working on that benchmark now
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 23 2013 13:18 GMT
#906
[QUOTE]On May 23 2013 21:55 JaKaTaK wrote:
@rude

She likely isn't playing agressively. If you can encourage her to do so, she'll likely increase her win rate.

That's what i'm trying to do but she doesn't like early pressure because she can't do it well... And then she dies (bacause she can't macro behind it like a madman (madgirl ?))
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 23 2013 13:20 GMT
#907
If she stays away from the things that are challenging, it will be hard for her to improve.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 23 2013 16:06 GMT
#908
True. But we will train this we
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
May 23 2013 19:48 GMT
#909
On May 23 2013 17:03 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 04:51 Antylamon wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:47 rezzan wrote:
I think the amount of "forever bronze" players will go down to almost zero now.. except the ppl that are inactive of course,

the ppl that are like " im to bad / i get frustrated when i lose so i stop playing for a while" type of players will easily go up in rank.

Ive 2 times already gone up to for example platinum.. and if theres any bronze players here, that wonders if it was hard.. id say no.

the first time , i went bronze>platinum i played for 3hours straight and it took me 13 Total games to get to platinum.

and last time (2 days ago) it took me 12 games from silver>platinum, so its super easy.. ive met alot of platinum players that play and act like bronze players, so its not hard at all anymore, it was hard in hots, took long sometimes. But i dont think ill see a bronze league player with 5000 games and still in bronze ever again.

(Sorry if this made no sense, its 4am and im tired so my english sucks lol)


I have friends who are Bronze with 3000+ games played And my GF can't get to platinum even if she's got a reaaallly good macro (don't know how). (I'm amazed at a gold player with 85% inject, 10seconds max supply block and GM spending skill) but... still in gold. And she plays 6 to 8games a day...

What the actual hell

Does she mass Drones or something?


Not really. She's just really good at macro but don't know how to pick a fight. And don't know how to deal with early pressure. But if you let her alone... God forbid you lol (i saw her destroy a diamond player without any micro (because she don't know how) just because of remax and A move lol).

All hail the next Stephano
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
May 23 2013 20:24 GMT
#910
On May 24 2013 04:48 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 17:03 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 04:51 Antylamon wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:47 rezzan wrote:
I think the amount of "forever bronze" players will go down to almost zero now.. except the ppl that are inactive of course,

the ppl that are like " im to bad / i get frustrated when i lose so i stop playing for a while" type of players will easily go up in rank.

Ive 2 times already gone up to for example platinum.. and if theres any bronze players here, that wonders if it was hard.. id say no.

the first time , i went bronze>platinum i played for 3hours straight and it took me 13 Total games to get to platinum.

and last time (2 days ago) it took me 12 games from silver>platinum, so its super easy.. ive met alot of platinum players that play and act like bronze players, so its not hard at all anymore, it was hard in hots, took long sometimes. But i dont think ill see a bronze league player with 5000 games and still in bronze ever again.

(Sorry if this made no sense, its 4am and im tired so my english sucks lol)


I have friends who are Bronze with 3000+ games played And my GF can't get to platinum even if she's got a reaaallly good macro (don't know how). (I'm amazed at a gold player with 85% inject, 10seconds max supply block and GM spending skill) but... still in gold. And she plays 6 to 8games a day...

What the actual hell

Does she mass Drones or something?


Not really. She's just really good at macro but don't know how to pick a fight. And don't know how to deal with early pressure. But if you let her alone... God forbid you lol (i saw her destroy a diamond player without any micro (because she don't know how) just because of remax and A move lol).

All hail the next Stephano

Picking engagements and microing well is one of Stephano's strengths though... unless that's the joke in which case I'm sorry
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 03:04:30
May 24 2013 03:03 GMT
#911
On May 24 2013 05:24 JDub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 04:48 Antylamon wrote:
On May 23 2013 17:03 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 04:51 Antylamon wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:47 rezzan wrote:
I think the amount of "forever bronze" players will go down to almost zero now.. except the ppl that are inactive of course,

the ppl that are like " im to bad / i get frustrated when i lose so i stop playing for a while" type of players will easily go up in rank.

Ive 2 times already gone up to for example platinum.. and if theres any bronze players here, that wonders if it was hard.. id say no.

the first time , i went bronze>platinum i played for 3hours straight and it took me 13 Total games to get to platinum.

and last time (2 days ago) it took me 12 games from silver>platinum, so its super easy.. ive met alot of platinum players that play and act like bronze players, so its not hard at all anymore, it was hard in hots, took long sometimes. But i dont think ill see a bronze league player with 5000 games and still in bronze ever again.

(Sorry if this made no sense, its 4am and im tired so my english sucks lol)


I have friends who are Bronze with 3000+ games played And my GF can't get to platinum even if she's got a reaaallly good macro (don't know how). (I'm amazed at a gold player with 85% inject, 10seconds max supply block and GM spending skill) but... still in gold. And she plays 6 to 8games a day...

What the actual hell

Does she mass Drones or something?


Not really. She's just really good at macro but don't know how to pick a fight. And don't know how to deal with early pressure. But if you let her alone... God forbid you lol (i saw her destroy a diamond player without any micro (because she don't know how) just because of remax and A move lol).

All hail the next Stephano

Picking engagements and microing well is one of Stephano's strengths though... unless that's the joke in which case I'm sorry

Rude is French, and presumably his GF as well. That's the joke.

You're reading way too deeply into this...
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 24 2013 10:49 GMT
#912
I think i should make a blog about this :p
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
May 24 2013 15:50 GMT
#913
Do it like the guy that tried to get his GF to Diamond, but she quit after being stuck in Silver for some time. Your GF is actually like to play as it seems comparing to her.
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 16:49:01
May 24 2013 16:48 GMT
#914
She plays more than me so... and she has coaching lessons 1H a week so...

Yeah i'll think about it

Sorry for the offtopic i'm out !
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 30 2013 19:17 GMT
#915
Hey! I'm back

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdE5seEZpVTc4aHZkUnNRUlA4azM5Mnc&usp=sharing

Some slight changes to TheStaircase:

TheStaircase ends after step 5 (3 battle units) unless you want to continue on repeating step 5 with different units.
Hellion and Hellbat are now "Given Units"
Step 2 is Given Units Only
Steps following Step 2
Race macro is no longer a benchmark. We will re-introduce this benchmark when we have more conclusive proof that it is meaningful.

Enjoy 5.9.1

6.0 will have 2 benchmarks:

Spending Skill
Saturation Speed

We are collecting data for both and will have accurate and updated benchmarks for all league goals.


Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 22:39:56
May 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#916
You mean I can now mass hellions and troll people into ragequits? YUSSSS!!!

Saturation speed was implemented in ggtracker yesterday, I noticed! Pretty cool!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#917
I am so excited about Saturation Speed. I think its going to be exactly what we've been looking for
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Hancho
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany89 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 09:09:42
May 31 2013 09:08 GMT
#918
English doc
M 32 two units in one cell (may split into two cells)

Update german version
(15 J)
TheStaircase
Schritt
0 Spiele "Creep or Die" in der Arcade und benutze den "TheStaircase" Mode für dein Ziel ohne einen Gegner.
1 Baue nur Mineralien ab (Kein Gas). Attack-Move nur über die Minimap. (guck dir keine Kämpfe an)
2 Baue Gas und Mineralien ab und kontrolliere deine Einheiten so gut du kannst. (nur Standard Einheiten)
3 Wähle 1 Einheit aus der Kampfeinheiten Liste. Außer den Standard-Einheiten, ist dies die einzige Einheit, die du bauen darfst.
4 Wähle 2 Einheiten aus der Kampfeinheiten Liste. Außer den Standard-Einheiten, ist dies die einzige Einheit, die du bauen darfst.
5 Wähle 3 Einheiten aus der Kampfeinheiten Liste. Außer den Standard-Einheiten, ist dies die einzige Einheit, die du bauen darfst.
6 Wiederhole Schritt 5, so lange bis du einen Schritt mit jeder Einheit absolviert hast.


(28 L)
Terran

Standard Einheiten
WBF
Marine
Hellion
Hellbat


Kampfeinheiten
Marauder
Rächer
Thor
Belagerungspanzer
Ghost
Viking
Schwerer Kreuzer
Banshee
Raven
Arachnomine
Medivac


(10 K) This is not correct
5 Um ein Spiel zu werten, musst du alle oder annähernd alle Benchmarks deiner Ziel-Liga treffen.

corrected
5 Um ein Spiel zu werten, musst du alle Benchmarks deiner Ziel-Liga schaffen oder übertreffen.


please update the german version
Mitigation
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1 Post
May 31 2013 11:58 GMT
#919
Thank you for all of your work Jak! I just came back to the game after a very long break and this is exactly what I need. I'm using both the Staircase and the Core and I am very excited to watch my progress.

I decided to play Protoss because it was the race I was the least familiar with.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/3386956

Here is one of my step 1 games that really sold me on this method. I did not think that I would win any of my step one games. And when I did and went to GGtracker and saw my GM spending level to my opponents bronze it felt good to know the only reason I won was that I was finally getting the basics of the game down.

Again thanks and i look forward to step 2!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 31 2013 15:44 GMT
#920
@Hancho
Thanks so much German Version Updated

@Mitigation
Glad to be of service :D
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
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