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Mossmyr
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden35 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 00:52:31
June 03 2013 00:49 GMT
#921
I always aim for 100 SQ every game
Beat a NA diamond player, restricting myself to chargelots, stalkers, and all forge upgrades (and no micro, all in the spirit of the staircase).
Really fun, 40 minute macro game. He went mostly gateway with void ray and immortals. Think I hit just below 100 SQ.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 03 2013 13:30 GMT
#922
@moss
Spending Skill is much more accurate. Firstly because the data pool is much larger and more recent. Secondly because it scales with game time. If you use flat SQ, the longer games will be harder than the shorter ones, rather than everything being equally difficult regardless of game length. 100SQ in a 40 minute game is kind of insane tho Well done!
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Mossmyr
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden35 Posts
June 04 2013 00:34 GMT
#923
Thanks!

Isn't Spending Skill just an average of SQ over different leagues? Like, bronze = 50 SQ, platinum = 70 SQ etc?

And yeah, it gets really hard. Me and my friend start spamming gateways and hatcheries like crazy when we hit supply cap, and start suiciding our units into their siege tank line. Gets really fun to watch ^^
It's odd, but I've found that it's easier to get a high SQ the more bases you have. When I get all-in'ed and am forced to go on one base (simply cause my probe can't get out of the base to construct a nexus, so I make more units and gateways to keep my money low), I usually end up with ~90 SQ, but when the game is an all-out macro fest, I get around ~110 SQ.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 04 2013 04:08 GMT
#924
@moss
The higher your income, the more forgiving SQ is, but usually players have much more difficult time spending late game. Spending skill is SQ over game time:

http://ggtracker.com/spending_skill
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Mossmyr
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden35 Posts
June 04 2013 12:24 GMT
#925
Alright, seems reasonable.
g0ddy
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany1 Post
June 04 2013 16:28 GMT
#926
Any chance of this beeing uploaded to EU Servers?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 05 2013 00:07 GMT
#927
@g0ddy
You play TheStaircase on the ladder or vs ai or against friends. In team games, ffa, or 1v1. It is designed for the melee game type. There is a custom map, but the main focus is on playing melee games. You can track all of your stats at ggtracker.com
:D
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Fiziks
Profile Joined December 2010
United States59 Posts
June 05 2013 18:57 GMT
#928
Anyone try doing the staircase with Terran Mech play? Any insight on how many production facilities you need in mid-late game or when to get them?

I can easily get GM Spending with almost any Bio composition, but I recently decided to try my hand at mech play. My spending is usually really good up until I hit 4-5 bases and a 200 food army. Even if I remain aggressive and continually replace units getting lost, my money just sky rockets! It's like units just don't build fast enough out of factories. I've tried throwing down a crazy number of factories, but the moment I re-max and the army hits 200 again or if I spend a few seconds leap frogging tanks, suddenly I look up and my money is at 4k/4k.
Luxotican
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom13 Posts
June 06 2013 10:43 GMT
#929
Really Interesting method, I'd not heard of it before until now, a friend just linked me here after i'd asked for tips for a new player. I've asked my girlfriend to try it (who is totally new to the game) as I found it difficult to guide her and make her understand the mechanics. Its hard for a Masters league player to relay information with somebody totally new to the genre!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 06 2013 18:29 GMT
#930
@Lux
I agree with that sentiment so much. For the same reason I think coaches should be judged on the successes or failure of their students and not their ability to perform. Let us know how she's doing with it! :D
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Luxotican
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom13 Posts
June 07 2013 08:25 GMT
#931
Hi

Got her to watch the video and read your post etc... she played two games last night and I saw drastic improvement, almost straight away!

admittedly I sat over her shoulder reminding her to keep building Marines, not to look at the battles etc... but she did really well, didn't win but like you say, its not about the winning, especially not initially!... I did catch her stutter stepping her marines though, which was kind of cool because I hadn't taught her that :D

I found her macro improved 10 fold!, think she just needs to get the hang of the controls more than anything now.
Tib
Profile Joined June 2012
France13 Posts
June 07 2013 09:16 GMT
#932
I'm high master in europe, imwanna be like Grandmaster ... top grandmaster. Do you think this "staircase" can be usefull at this level of play?
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
June 07 2013 10:25 GMT
#933
On June 07 2013 18:16 Tib wrote:
I'm high master in europe, imwanna be like Grandmaster ... top grandmaster. Do you think this "staircase" can be usefull at this level of play?

If your macro isn't already high GM according to GGtracker, sure.
Mossmyr
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden35 Posts
June 07 2013 12:47 GMT
#934
@Fiziks
Make moar Factories! >:D
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
June 07 2013 14:30 GMT
#935
On June 07 2013 18:16 Tib wrote:
I'm high master in europe, imwanna be like Grandmaster ... top grandmaster. Do you think this "staircase" can be usefull at this level of play?

Probably not, no. At that point you need to figure out what your weaknesses are and work hard to improve your game however you can. Macroing well in GM is hard b/c of multi-tasking, so even if your spending skill is below GM level, doing the Staircase will be a walk in the park for you and you won't learn anything new from it. You'd be better off just trying to focus more on improving your macro in real games, in my opinion.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 07 2013 15:07 GMT
#936
@Tib
TheStaircase is designed to give players a solid foundation of mechanics and basic strategy so that they can enjoy the exploration of the game maximally. If you're high masters, I would assume that you've already build up a solid foundation. I would however suggest to start tracking your games on ggtracker.com to find your weak points and taking a look at TheCore.
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Tib
Profile Joined June 2012
France13 Posts
June 07 2013 18:23 GMT
#937
I already use TheCore now, since 3weeks now so i'm not as good as before. But it is really nice, i love it i still use just 6 control groups, but once i'll get use to it i'll use all 10 :D.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 07 2013 21:29 GMT
#938
@Tib
Awesome to hear


@everyone

SATURATION SPEED IS COMING TO GGTRACKER.COM SOOON! It is perfectly reasonable that we might be moving into TheStaircase 6.0 beta today
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dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
June 08 2013 01:16 GMT
#939
don't tell anyone but it's up
card-carrying grubby fan. developer of GGTracker.
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
June 08 2013 08:01 GMT
#940
I thought saturation speed was in ggtracker for a couple of weeks now! Has anything new been added?
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