• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:28
CEST 17:28
KST 00:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters0[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?85Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!41Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6
StarCraft 2
General
Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) September World Ranking: herO leads, Serral climbs
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly SC2 INu's Battles#20 [BO.9]
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters BW General Discussion Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group F Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5725 users

[G] TheStaircase - An Alternative Improvement Method - Pag…

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 76 77 78
Malauch
Profile Joined October 2017
1 Post
October 26 2017 18:59 GMT
#1541
GGtracker is shutting down. Is there any alternative to check Staircase statistics?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
October 31 2017 15:09 GMT
#1542
Unforunately Spending Skill was a custom metric for TheStaircase built with ggtracker. My attempts to have this added to sc2replaystats.com has failed
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
dchaudh
Profile Joined March 2015
58 Posts
October 31 2017 21:29 GMT
#1543
On November 01 2017 00:09 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
Unforunately Spending Skill was a custom metric for TheStaircase built with ggtracker. My attempts to have this added to sc2replaystats.com has failed


Is there a different calculation behind the spending quotient # on sc2replaystats as compared to the SQ on ggtracker? I've been using the sc2replaystats version of SQ as of late but not sure if that's correct now.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
November 03 2017 14:02 GMT
#1544
SQ is not a useful metric because it doesn't take into account the length of the game. All SS is, is SQ in context of game length (capping out at 30 minutes). 100 SQ in a 5 minute game isn't too hard, but in a 25 minute game it's almost impossible.

Fortunately, IMMORTAL will have no need for 3rd party analysis sites because we'll have everything baked into the actual game. A clear path for improvement, deliberate practice maps and drills, and meaningful statistics that show your progress over time.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 05:50:38
November 06 2017 05:49 GMT
#1545
Would be nice if either ggtracker.com source was released so someone else could take over maintenance or if calculations were laid out so others could derive the same data from replays directly.

I'm sure sc2replaystats.com is a good way to go, but it looks very convoluted and not fun to use. :S
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
November 06 2017 20:01 GMT
#1546
ggtracker.com has been open source for ages and David has been trying to find someone to take over for equally as long with no luck. If you are the one to save it, let me know!
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
November 07 2017 00:25 GMT
#1547
Oh, I see that it's on github. I can't take on more responsibilities, but I hope someone steps up.
Slimper
Profile Joined November 2017
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-18 21:17:05
November 18 2017 19:45 GMT
#1548
sc2replaystats.com is the best alternative of the ggtracker. Not only does it have the SQ stats, but it also points out your early game mistakes for free (2 games per day, which is more than enough)! It really is very good, check it out

Scelight replay analyzer is the second thing to look up to when trying to see how well you did
Nebrot
Profile Joined November 2017
1 Post
November 20 2017 08:39 GMT
#1549
Hey,

i am currently working on a user script / browser extension that will show the spendingskill also in sc2replaystats.
I will use the GGTracker data for that (Thanks to David to show me where i can find the data).
I think i will have a first version by next week, will post it here when it´s ready.

The only downside is: The Script will use static data, and will not be updated, it will stay (forever?) on this data:
http://ggtracker.com/spending_skill_stats#?race=zerg&gateway=am

Or has anyone an idea where we can get a huge list of replay data containing:
region of replay :devision of player : duration of the game; race of the player; sq of the player

JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 01 2017 17:17 GMT
#1550
Nebrot
That's awesome! You should contact the owner/operator of sc2replaystats and see if you can use the data they have!
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
TurgidLeafMan
Profile Joined September 2016
18 Posts
December 03 2017 08:42 GMT
#1551
Back on The Staircase while I update my muscle memory from Core 3.0 to 4.0

With the imminent closure of GGTracker it would be great to have the spending skill data readily available on Sc2Replaystats since (unless im mistaken) you only get a readout of SQ for your most recently uploaded game and cannot review this change over time or actively compare it against a particular benchmark.

Nebrot you are the hero we need; any update on your extension?

Much Love

TLM
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-09 09:24:46
December 09 2017 08:26 GMT
#1552
gggreplays.com seems to be missing all the data that made ggtracker.com useful. Hopefully sc2replaystats people will be willing to provide their data for an even more accurate SQ -> SSkill conversion.

Any way to download ggtracker's data in a palatable format like csv?

edit: you can download ggtracker.com's data from the website from the api like so:
http://api.ggtracker.com/api/v1/spending_skill/<region>/<race>
where region can be 'am' or 'eu' without quotes and race is terran zerg or protoss

gggreplays.com should really be using this data instead of starting from scratch.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 27 2017 15:38 GMT
#1553
We made a discord server for TheCore and it seems to be working out quite well. Figured it would be good to try one for TheStaircase as well. Enjoy:

https://discord.gg/DbJJVfd
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Leffigi1
Profile Joined July 2020
1 Post
July 04 2020 02:28 GMT
#1554
Bumping a dead thread but what websites could I use now that GGGTRACKER is dead?
SINSTR_SykO
Profile Joined July 2014
1 Post
August 04 2020 05:13 GMT
#1555
In case anyone still interested in this, I created this small site that helps you keep track of your progress a bit more easily: https://kedyn.github.io/TheStaircase/
Comboqueejret
Profile Joined October 2021
2 Posts
October 15 2021 16:11 GMT
#1556
hi guys,

i love this way of playing.

Though, i can't manage to get this second benchmark "Time from 2nd Base Complete to 2 Base Mineral Income (1760)", even when i just focus on fullfill with workers my 2 or 3 bases. Is it a bug? coz i see other players who manage to do it on ggreplays.

any help?

thx
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
December 01 2021 09:13 GMT
#1557
On October 16 2021 01:11 Comboqueejret wrote:
hi guys,

i love this way of playing.

Though, i can't manage to get this second benchmark "Time from 2nd Base Complete to 2 Base Mineral Income (1760)", even when i just focus on fullfill with workers my 2 or 3 bases. Is it a bug? coz i see other players who manage to do it on ggreplays.

any help?

thx


https://gggreplays.com/staircase#?race=zerg&vs_race=zerg
I think the benchmark for that is 20 minerals less at 1740. If the numbers are off, just know it means 16 workers on each bases mineral line.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
adrian_11
Profile Joined December 2021
1 Post
December 14 2021 04:00 GMT
#1558
--- Nuked ---
Comboqueejret
Profile Joined October 2021
2 Posts
January 09 2022 19:35 GMT
#1559
ggreplay is going down
what else?
KeanuCheese
Profile Joined November 2021
France3 Posts
January 27 2022 22:56 GMT
#1560
im curious about starting the staircase (im a noob) but can't find website that gives spending skill, can i use spending quotient instead ?
Trying Hard to Find the Right Balance
Prev 1 76 77 78
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
15:00
#12
Mixu vs ShamelessLIVE!
Spirit vs YoungYakov
Clem vs herO
Harstem379
IndyStarCraft 117
TKL 103
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 379
mouzHeroMarine 230
IndyStarCraft 117
TKL 103
BRAT_OK 65
Trap 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38927
Calm 3960
Shuttle 1133
Mini 542
Hyuk 481
actioN 396
EffOrt 235
Soulkey 215
firebathero 125
Sharp 106
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 84
hero 83
Snow 69
Hyun 56
910 54
Pusan 54
Liquid`Ret 52
Mong 34
JYJ 32
Barracks 29
soO 20
SilentControl 14
Rock 14
Free 9
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
Gorgc4859
qojqva2472
Counter-Strike
fl0m6925
byalli945
dupreeh137
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor416
Liquid`Hasu347
Other Games
singsing1569
B2W.Neo1117
Liquid`RaSZi902
Mlord326
Hui .199
KnowMe195
XaKoH 128
Mew2King81
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1139
BasetradeTV97
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 9
lovetv 9
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 12
• FT.aCt)Sony3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2129
• Nemesis1242
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
32m
OSC
8h 32m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 32m
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
19h 32m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d
Afreeca Starleague
1d 18h
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
1d 19h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Escore
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.