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Schmobutzen
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany284 Posts
February 10 2013 11:03 GMT
#521
I can not find it on EU HotS.

How do I find it?

The search finds nothing, if I look for someting like 'staircase'.

Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
February 10 2013 15:05 GMT
#522
Hooray! Finally after 79 games (that were worth giving myself a pass or fail for) I've passed Step 3 as Zerg with the Masters benchmarks! Woooooo! Now I can reap the reward of actually being able to micro my ling/bane and even experiment with drops (which I've always wanted to try out but never did in WoL).

I think the greatest endorsement I can give the Staircase is that it's got me to play 171 games since I started it on 31 December.. that's 42 days which gives an average of 4 per day.. which is a rate of play I never would have come close to prior to using it (more like 10 per week). I didn't suffer from ladder anxiety exactly, but playing was always slightly stressful and I'd want to feel like I was somehow at my best to venture onto the ladder. As a result if I was tired or didn't have any time to warm up or whatever I'd give it a miss or just practice in a build order tester. However now any free moment I just go straight to the ladder and rack up some games! I feel like this is hugely beneficial as despite the fact that I've managed to divorce myself quite soundly from the importance of winning or losing any given game, playing against a human player still gives an added bonus to concentration and focus which I just don't feel when playing against AI/in a build tester. Also I think there's a real benefit to just playing on a daily basis for reinforcing muscle memory/mechanics which this has allowed.

So yeah, all in all I think the Staircase is working brilliantly for me; it's caused me to play much more regularly, focus harder on weak areas in my game and overall is making me a fundamentally better mechanical player, great job Jak!

PS. Jak if you're still looking for replays of people doing the various steps I'm sure I could find a step 3 zerg replay to provide you with that I'm not totally mortified to have anyone see.

I am terrible at this game!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 15:45:48
February 10 2013 15:45 GMT
#523
By Popular Demand, the first in a series of 9 videos critiquing the Training section in HotS:




Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 17 2013 23:28 GMT
#524
For HotS are you going to find a different way for SQ? Also, just saying I love the new stat for supply cap time, so much more helpful and once you figure out good supply cap times, that will be immensly helpful.

But since the supply cap is going to more likely be higher the longer the game is played maybe make it a ratio of game time:supply cap time. Just started this, and really like it, used to be top diamond a long time ago and this is what I need for fun and motiuvation to get my macro back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 17 2013 23:58 GMT
#525
Yeah really good job!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 18 2013 05:10 GMT
#526
@Mementoss

Supply cap does not count when you are at 200/200. So each build should have an ideal TSC. For example, when I 4 gate I can get it to 14 seconds. I think, though, on average a GM player will have something like 30 seconds TSC per game or something like that. I don't think time will play a big factor.

Also, Here's the 2nd video in the series:




Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 06:42:03
February 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#527
So with the new UI update, it seems Resource Collection Rate was dropped from the stats. I know I can just estimate a number based on the graph, but are there any other more reliable ways to get the SQ?

EDIT: who could've thought you could get to gold league with only lings and blings? I just got promoted! :D GO GO STAIRCASE!
Ticcie
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands43 Posts
February 20 2013 08:00 GMT
#528
On February 20 2013 15:16 fengshaun wrote:
So with the new UI update, it seems Resource Collection Rate was dropped from the stats. I know I can just estimate a number based on the graph, but are there any other more reliable ways to get the SQ?

EDIT: who could've thought you could get to gold league with only lings and blings? I just got promoted! :D GO GO STAIRCASE!


The only alternative to getting SQ is http://ggtracker.com/ as far as I know. Haven't used it yet, but they also had a post in general about it.

Estimating from the graph is easier said than done tbh, I tried before the past to see how much off I'd be, and especially in longer games with much variance I'd be off by 25% easily.
More lurking more better
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
February 20 2013 09:45 GMT
#529
I'm so depressed at the level of some of the answers, obviously written by frustrated diam kids wanting the bronze guys to stay there forever.

I fully support that idea !
I got five reasons for you to shut up
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 20 2013 15:30 GMT
#530
ggtracker.com uses spending skill and not spending quotient. The difference is that SS is SQ but taking time into account and a lot more data so it is a much more meaningful, accurate statistic to use. It is a leagueified stat which means that all you have to do is upload your replay and see which league ggtracker put you in for your SS.

Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Ticcie
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands43 Posts
February 20 2013 15:45 GMT
#531
On February 21 2013 00:30 JaKaTaK wrote:
ggtracker.com uses spending skill and not spending quotient. The difference is that SS is SQ but taking time into account and a lot more data so it is a much more meaningful, accurate statistic to use. It is a leagueified stat which means that all you have to do is upload your replay and see which league ggtracker put you in for your SS.



When you hover over the spending skill icon, you get a tooltip giving an SQ: XX value. This should be the 'regular' Spending Quotient, right?
More lurking more better
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 20 2013 15:54 GMT
#532
@Ticcie
Correct, that is the raw SQ
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:27:15
February 20 2013 20:22 GMT
#533
Thanks Ticcie and Jak!

I signed up for ggtracker, but it asks me to change my current portrait to another portrait without telling me what to change the portrait to! (This is when I try to authenticate my profile). What should I do?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 20 2013 21:20 GMT
#534
it should tell you which portrait to change it to. I had a similar problem and restarted my computer and tried again and it worked fine the 2nd time.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
February 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#535
Hmmm the "to" portrait appears now (it was a problem with an addon blocking the picture), but now it can't retrieve neither my name nor my portrait and doesn't recognize it when I change the portrait. All addons are disabled now, and I used all available vanilla browsers! It calls me "Unknown"!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 20 2013 22:48 GMT
#536
I just sent a message to David. He should be able to figure it out.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
February 20 2013 23:38 GMT
#537
On February 21 2013 07:48 JaKaTaK wrote:
I just sent a message to David. He should be able to figure it out.


Thanks a lot, appreciated!
dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
February 20 2013 23:40 GMT
#538
On February 21 2013 07:38 fengshaun wrote:
Hmmm the "to" portrait appears now (it was a problem with an addon blocking the picture), but now it can't retrieve neither my name nor my portrait and doesn't recognize it when I change the portrait. All addons are disabled now, and I used all available vanilla browsers! It calls me "Unknown"!


To work around this problem, upload a replay that you played in (vs another human) and then GGTracker will learn that your name is not "Unknown". Then the rest of the signup process will work normally.

Sorry bout that!
card-carrying grubby fan. developer of GGTracker.
Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
February 21 2013 00:55 GMT
#539
On February 21 2013 00:30 JaKaTaK wrote:
ggtracker.com uses spending skill and not spending quotient. The difference is that SS is SQ but taking time into account and a lot more data so it is a much more meaningful, accurate statistic to use. It is a leagueified stat which means that all you have to do is upload your replay and see which league ggtracker put you in for your SS.



Lol, glad you made this post.. I've been using the basic SQ by hovering my mouse over.. this should mean I get a lot more passes :D
I am terrible at this game!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 21 2013 02:06 GMT
#540
yea, when you're pooling from 10s of 1000s of games, you can get a lot better feel on the league of an SQ than just doing it by hand for a couple of days
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
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