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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 25 2013 02:08 GMT
#561
elite is the highest level of AI
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
fengshaun
Profile Joined April 2012
149 Posts
February 25 2013 05:38 GMT
#562
Going on ranked ladder from the start is sure a lot of fun! I got to gold zerg on step 3!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-25 20:44:10
February 25 2013 20:43 GMT
#563
TheStaircase is going through a lot of changes for HotS. All of which will be described in an announcement video and subsequent tutorial videos once HotS goes live. Until that time I'd like to open the floor to ideas and suggestions for the future. You can check out what I'm working on in TheStaircase Reference Spreadsheet under "TheStaircase 0.6" Tab.

Enjoy
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Lagcraft
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
February 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#564
Thanks for this awesome guide and all the help dude. I'm a returning master's after a 6 month break and I'm trying out this method to learn how to play again. Do you mind if I include the link to this page in my stream?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 26 2013 02:30 GMT
#565
@Lagcraft
Please do! You could also post links to some of my other work as well. Speaking of which, have you considered learning TheCore hotkey layout. It would give you a strong advantage in the Master's league once you learn it and works very well with TheStaircase. Coming off of a 6 month break is likely a perfect situation to make this kind of investment.
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Lagcraft
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
February 26 2013 03:45 GMT
#566
On February 26 2013 11:30 JaKaTaK wrote:
@Lagcraft
Please do! You could also post links to some of my other work as well. Speaking of which, have you considered learning TheCore hotkey layout. It would give you a strong advantage in the Master's league once you learn it and works very well with TheStaircase. Coming off of a 6 month break is likely a perfect situation to make this kind of investment.


Ohhhh epiphany moment. I didn't realize you made TheCore as well! Great, thanks for that, I might try to integrate it.
Peculator
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands7 Posts
February 26 2013 07:59 GMT
#567
Well, one thing I've noticed is that currently Zerg step 11/12 is really difficult to get decent games with because there are too few options to smoothly transition into ultralisks. The only lair tech unit available is the hydralisk. This means I'm basically forced to go a sort of roach/hydra composition and then switch into ultra's without good upgrades, or try and hold on with ling/baneling/roach without any support while I do a quick tech for ultra's. This last option makes more sense upgrade wise, but a lot of games end too quickly because A) I catch opponent off guard with a bust and he dies, or B) opponent hits a timing push that ling/baneling can't deal with.


ognennyy
Profile Joined November 2012
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 08:16:50
February 26 2013 08:16 GMT
#568
Hi Jak,
I'm new to The Core layout, and am trying your Staircase learning system. Question: since the most recent patch the score screen no longer displays average resource collection rate (at least not that I can find). Is there any way around this, or some other place I'm not looking? It would seem that without this figure the spendingq.com feature has been rendered fairly obsolete :/
"OP" is for "opportunity"
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 26 2013 15:13 GMT
#569
@Peculator
You are encouraged to unlock the units in whatever order you want! So when you get to a new step, just add a new unit of your choosing

@ogennyy
we are working with ggtracker.com for all benchmarks. Right now it is tracking Spending Skill which is a more accurate representation of SQ because it factors the game length into the equation. All you have to do is make your account at ggtracker.com and start uploading replays. It will keep track of everything for you
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ShaolinZorg
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium47 Posts
February 28 2013 12:30 GMT
#570
Hello Jak,

I am just starting to learn sc2 with the core and I am willing to try the staircase;

I have several questions :

1. While I understand the goals in term of benchmark, I don't really know how to realize them w.r.t to the hotkeying execution constraint, or to state it otherwise : how to use efficiently hotkeys (subgroupping, not using warpin key for protoss , ... )

I think that it is possible to achieve an objective but using wrong or inneficient hotkey mechanics if they are not well understood, and there is nothing more awful than learning wrong techniques (good luck to unlearn)

that would be great to have some kind of detailed hotkeying tutorial

2]

Use at least 3 control groups. 1 for your cc+ups/nex+ups/hatch, 1 for your injecting queens+ups/unit producing structures, 1 for your army


can you pls detail this ? too much acronyms :-)

thanks

Shao


Qui veut voyager loin ménage sa monture
SixtusTheFifth
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand170 Posts
February 28 2013 12:49 GMT
#571
1) There aren't any specific goals for hotkeys. TheCore is separate but suggests using TheStaircase to learn the new keys in small chucks. But people on laptops don't have that option so they may not use subgroups.

2) That sentence reads:

Use at least 3 control groups.

1 will have your Command Center and all your upgrade facilities.
1 will have all of your army producing structures.
1 will have your army.

Unless you're Zerg in which case:

1 will have your Hatcheries.
1 will have your Queens and all upgrade facilities.
1 will have your army.

The above assumes you are using TheCore or Darkgrid or something with cycling through subgroups because if you're not then you'll need even more control groups.
yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
February 28 2013 14:18 GMT
#572
This is a bloody nice thread! Thank you for this.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 28 2013 16:10 GMT
#573
I will be making a video series for people that use TheCore and TheStaircase to get you off on the right foot from the beginning. I'm in the middle of revamping both TheCore and TheStaircase so I'm kind of swamped at the moment. I'll do my best to get the first couple videos out asap.
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ShaolinZorg
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium47 Posts
February 28 2013 17:47 GMT
#574
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 28 2013 21:49 SixtusTheFifth wrote:
1) There aren't any specific goals for hotkeys. TheCore is separate but suggests using TheStaircase to learn the new keys in small chucks. But people on laptops don't have that option so they may not use subgroups.

2) That sentence reads:

Use at least 3 control groups.

1 will have your Command Center and all your upgrade facilities.
1 will have all of your army producing structures.
1 will have your army.

Unless you're Zerg in which case:

1 will have your Hatcheries.
1 will have your Queens and all upgrade facilities.
1 will have your army.

The above assumes you are using TheCore or Darkgrid or something with cycling through subgroups because if you're not then you'll need even more control groups.


that's clear now, many thanks !
Qui veut voyager loin ménage sa monture
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 28 2013 20:50 GMT
#575
I'm not sure that spending skill is accurate to judge macro, it seems like mine is anywhere from bronze to GM and all inbetween and I don't feel like im doing anything different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
February 28 2013 22:09 GMT
#576
Feelings can be deceiving. Did you look at the replays, and watch how low your money was?
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 28 2013 22:17 GMT
#577
On March 01 2013 07:09 JaKaTaK wrote:
Feelings can be deceiving. Did you look at the replays, and watch how low your money was?


I realized when I was at my best and staying in masters/GM SS I was making a lot more macro hatches cause hey I had to because it was only lings. But it seems like I forgot this when I went into roches because they were more expensive, started doing it again and it fixed the money spending problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Coldlogic
Profile Joined December 2008
United States116 Posts
March 03 2013 10:44 GMT
#578
I am happy to announce that TheStaircase 1.0 has been released on every map in the 1v1 map pool.

The following maps have been included:
Akilon Flats
Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Condemned Ridge
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Ohana
Newkirk District

Note: they have not all been tested. If you find a bug, please report it.
mika0023
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany11 Posts
March 04 2013 11:45 GMT
#579
where is step 2 for terran ? or the spreadsheet for T ? couldnt find it and now im stuck on step 1 ... even though i win alot with it in gold league what is kind of emberassing concidering i had a hard time before that and i even switched race when starting with the staircase
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 04 2013 14:49 GMT
#580
Okay, so, I'd like to invite you to try 6.0

Step 1 - minerals only, no micro. So just make marines and A-move.
Step 2 - your only constriction is SCVs and Marines Only. Build any building you want, get any upgrades you want, and micro your heart out.
Step 3 you add a new unit of your choice (suggested unit order is on the Reference Spreadsheet
Step 4 repeat step 3 until all units are unlocked
Step 5 profit
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