[G] GM zerg from Complexity academy ZvP guide - Page 2

On September 13 2012 04:36 FuzzySc2 wrote:
If the zerg is doing nothing but putting down spines and teching, all you have to do is not do the stalker rotation you usually do and get all your tech out before investing into units that can be massed later on, basically what this means is you can get all your heavy gass units + upgrades right off the bat instead of having to invest money into stalkers where in a normal game they would be required to "stay alive". Youre of course going to make stalkers but its just a different timing. That and take a 4th base ^_^. When you maxx out at around 14 min with archon stalker collosus mothership you can push out kill the Z army and be able to replace w/e you lost while the Z cant remake his army because of how much he invested into spines and ect. If you miss this timing you might lose though ^_^

On September 13 2012 06:52 CrystaX wrote:

At most part i try do this except the part with Pushing at min 14?
I can get fast Colossi and Fleat beacon but Mothership needs 4min+ for the vortex to be ready from the moment on i decide to make fleat beacon ( and i can be 100% sure what Z does at around min 12 ). So i usually have 4th base with fast 7/8th Gas, Double Ups and Colossi starting at min 12 which leads in a push Timing around min 16(robodock 60 seconds, 2 Colossi 120 secs, moveing out) vs Mass Spine/BL/Infestor ._.

On September 13 2012 07:05 viPro- wrote:
fuzzy very good steal his builds and brain if you want to be op )

On September 13 2012 08:17 Mavvie wrote:
This guide's pretty awesome and I like it, but I don't think it covers much that isn't covered in belial's guide. :/
It's interesting to have a new perspective and opening, but it seems like a less-comprehensive version of those guides. I still like it, and I love it when the best players in the world post guides! Always interesting to read, but again i feel like its already been covered

Reps will be awesome to watch though :D thanks for the writeup also! It's a lot of work writing guides

On September 13 2012 09:12 BuiBui wrote:
FUZZY! you FINALLY made a guide! Thank you so much! It was great seeing you kick ass at MLG

(This is EndOfLine btw)

On September 13 2012 09:19 FuzzySc2 wrote:

haha np ^_^ ill be making more if this one gets good reception xD

On September 13 2012 09:20 BuiBui wrote:


Will be trying out you stuff!

EDIT: This guide is amazing! Looking forward to the zvz and zvt!!!

EDIT EDIT: with your open, played 2 protoss and 1 terran, ruined them both!!

Question: how much supply should I have by 8min? 65? 70? 75? 80?

On September 13 2012 22:55 TangSC wrote:
I'm too bitter to read this guide, Fuzzy has beat me in ZvZ too many times! haha <3

On September 13 2012 23:28 FuzzySc2 wrote:

depends a lot on the game but 75-80 if you made nothing but drones and 3 queens

On September 14 2012 07:44 Mavvie wrote:
Just wondering, is such a late third actually beneficial? I can't believe it is, and I see no reason not to as you're safe until 8:00, and each extra supply of unit you can get out by then helps tremendously.

I'll compare the two once I get home, but i don't see the benefits.

Edit: you say that it better to go slow third? O.o I trust you, but I won't believe it until I see it

On September 14 2012 08:56 TobinYJ wrote:


Im pretty sure he explained it in the opening.
You get a third slower but in exchange you get drones faster, so you get more mining time. The third doesn't boost your economy just boosts your larva. With a fast 3rd you don't actually get 2 bases fully saturated. But with this build you get 2 bases fully saturated by the time the third is done.

I've tried it out and it seems better to me. But i could be wrong.