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SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
September 27 2012 15:36 GMT
#121
Just wanted to say thanks. Especially scouting section and Toss gas timings.
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 27 2012 17:50 GMT
#122
On September 27 2012 09:29 BuiBui wrote:
Fuzzy.

What is your Ovie/roach approach/schedule when going for a max.
Do you start making 2 ovies at once, or 3 at once at certain supply amounts?
Do you make an ovie once one pops?
What is your signal for making more ovies?

Umm if you go for the roach max or any pressure i just make a shitload of overlords like 5-6 when im about to start mass production. Its a mineral dump and you dont need to go one a a time with them since due to larva you will be producing more units than you can supply wise when youre 100+
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 27 2012 17:53 GMT
#123
On September 27 2012 21:36 gronnelg wrote:
When going mutas mid-game, what triggers you to start transitioning out of mutas?
Edit: Also, you said double spire... Is it really worth spending that much gas on an extra spire and upgrades?

The build itself is allin, any muta build is. By this i mean that it has to do damage or else you will lose because you invested so much gass into it. The way i play this style is constant aggression with muta ling and trading as much as possible, when you get +2 +2 air + air armor it makes trading a lot easier esp if you have +2+2lings. As for transitioning out, if youre in a good position where you did damage and he is turtled up and unable to make a instant tech switch without dying you can start spining up w/e choke and tech into hive + BL + infestors. This is of course assuming that you have been active with taking bases with this style.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
September 27 2012 18:26 GMT
#124
Nice guide Fuzzy, thanks very much.

PS - "Gas" has only one "s".
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
September 27 2012 19:26 GMT
#125
On September 28 2012 02:50 FuzzySc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 09:29 BuiBui wrote:
Fuzzy.

What is your Ovie/roach approach/schedule when going for a max.
Do you start making 2 ovies at once, or 3 at once at certain supply amounts?
Do you make an ovie once one pops?
What is your signal for making more ovies?

Umm if you go for the roach max or any pressure i just make a shitload of overlords like 5-6 when im about to start mass production. Its a mineral dump and you dont need to go one a a time with them since due to larva you will be producing more units than you can supply wise when youre 100+


perfect! Thanks.

Does this mean you have your OL's timed in your Build order till 100?
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
September 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#126
Btw gas has only one S.
Nice work Fuzzy, I really like the first build :D!
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 27 2012 22:54 GMT
#127
On September 28 2012 04:26 BuiBui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 02:50 FuzzySc2 wrote:
On September 27 2012 09:29 BuiBui wrote:
Fuzzy.

What is your Ovie/roach approach/schedule when going for a max.
Do you start making 2 ovies at once, or 3 at once at certain supply amounts?
Do you make an ovie once one pops?
What is your signal for making more ovies?

Umm if you go for the roach max or any pressure i just make a shitload of overlords like 5-6 when im about to start mass production. Its a mineral dump and you dont need to go one a a time with them since due to larva you will be producing more units than you can supply wise when youre 100+


perfect! Thanks.

Does this mean you have your OL's timed in your Build order till 100?

yup ^_^
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 27 2012 22:54 GMT
#128
On September 28 2012 06:54 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Btw gas has only one S.
Nice work Fuzzy, I really like the first build :D!

my gass is special glad you like it ^_^
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 27 2012 23:20 GMT
#129
On September 28 2012 06:54 NOOBALOPSE wrote:
Btw gas has only one S.
Nice work Fuzzy, I really like the first build :D!

np glad you like it :D
BacOnspiracy
Profile Joined August 2012
2 Posts
September 28 2012 03:40 GMT
#130
Interesting opening. Will try out. Actually sounds better than current meta.
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
September 28 2012 04:54 GMT
#131
thanks for the guide! I love it when so much info is all in one place.
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 28 2012 20:16 GMT
#132
On September 28 2012 13:54 Sassback wrote:
thanks for the guide! I love it when so much info is all in one place.

np :D
DoggerStarcraft
Profile Joined December 2011
United States31 Posts
October 02 2012 03:16 GMT
#133
This will really help my ZvP :D
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
October 03 2012 18:30 GMT
#134
On October 02 2012 12:16 DoggerStarcraft wrote:
This will really help my ZvP :D

glad it helps ^_^
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
October 03 2012 23:15 GMT
#135
On September 28 2012 07:54 FuzzySc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 04:26 BuiBui wrote:
On September 28 2012 02:50 FuzzySc2 wrote:
On September 27 2012 09:29 BuiBui wrote:
Fuzzy.

What is your Ovie/roach approach/schedule when going for a max.
Do you start making 2 ovies at once, or 3 at once at certain supply amounts?
Do you make an ovie once one pops?
What is your signal for making more ovies?

Umm if you go for the roach max or any pressure i just make a shitload of overlords like 5-6 when im about to start mass production. Its a mineral dump and you dont need to go one a a time with them since due to larva you will be producing more units than you can supply wise when youre 100+


perfect! Thanks.

Does this mean you have your OL's timed in your Build order till 100?

yup ^_^



Do you mind sharing you OL timings all the way up to 100 plz ^_^
This will save me hours of cross comparing ovies timings in 1vcomputer on ezmode.
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
October 05 2012 21:28 GMT
#136
On October 04 2012 08:15 BuiBui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 07:54 FuzzySc2 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:26 BuiBui wrote:
On September 28 2012 02:50 FuzzySc2 wrote:
On September 27 2012 09:29 BuiBui wrote:
Fuzzy.

What is your Ovie/roach approach/schedule when going for a max.
Do you start making 2 ovies at once, or 3 at once at certain supply amounts?
Do you make an ovie once one pops?
What is your signal for making more ovies?

Umm if you go for the roach max or any pressure i just make a shitload of overlords like 5-6 when im about to start mass production. Its a mineral dump and you dont need to go one a a time with them since due to larva you will be producing more units than you can supply wise when youre 100+


perfect! Thanks.

Does this mean you have your OL's timed in your Build order till 100?

yup ^_^



Do you mind sharing you OL timings all the way up to 100 plz ^_^
This will save me hours of cross comparing ovies timings in 1vcomputer on ezmode.


Think i answered this for you over bnet but, after the 60 supply mark overlord timings change too much to be able to tell, if youre being pressured then you want to make more overlords 2-3 at a time so that you can make mass units. Normally after the 60 supply mark you just make an overlord each time one pops and when you are fully saturated on 3 base depending on what style youre going for you just want to mass overlords before you start making mass units, easier to manage. Or if you want to be tryhard make 3 overlords inbetween unit waves, just dont get supply blocked :D
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
October 05 2012 21:44 GMT
#137
Thanks Fuz ^_^, and yes you did
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 26 2012 21:56 GMT
#138
On September 20 2012 09:27 sanddbox_sc2 wrote:
This guide is really weak, IMO. Seems more of a blatant social media plug than a guide. What have you shared that a gold leaguer couldn't?

User was temp banned for this post.


I think this guide is largely oriented towards sub-masters players, that's probably why it feels so weak to you :p seems like the sort of thing you would show a diamond player who couldn't get masters, rather than something that is intended to be used by high masters / GM players who already have all the rudimentary ideas in this guide down.
I <3 StarCraft.
RxDamitol
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
October 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#139
Thank you Fuzzy! Great guide!
Greedy beats Safe, Safe beats Cheesy, and Cheesy beats Greedy.
Nortac
Profile Joined April 2011
United States375 Posts
October 26 2012 23:27 GMT
#140
Why did you spell gas like that haha
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