I am currently a mid-platin Protoss player and I have been a high rated WoW player for a long time. Anyone who has played arenas in WoW at a decent level knows that you have to bind a LOT of keys for you character. Therefore i got myself a Razer Naga (the mouse with 17 buttons). I really like that mouse and can use all of the buttons quite fast and accurate. When I started playing SC2 I began to bind also several buttons on my Naga as seen in the image below:
(Note: the buttons are just a "numpad on the mouse" so this has nothing to do with cheating or programing macros)
I am curious if anyone is using similar bindings on a mouse with more than 2 extra buttons or has switched from such a mouse to his keyboard and can tell me what would be faster/better. Furthermore I would also like to know if anyone has an idea for better bindings on the mouse. Because sometimes it is hard to move my army and macro at the same time because i have to to both with my right hand.
TL;DR: binding a lot of keys on a mouse, good or bad?
I have mouse 4 as hatches and mouse 5 as queens, but any more buttons on my thumb would just make it slower I feel. mid masters EU zerg.
Maybe you can use all the tech structures like twilight, templar, forge. But hotkeys you regularly use I would not put more than 2 on the side buttons.
I have a Naga as well, and I rebound the numpad to F1-F12. I use 1-8 for camera locations, and 9 for idle workers. I haven't thought about anything for 10-12, but upgrade structures sound like an idea. I bet Mouse4 or Mouse5 (the other two extra buttons that aren't labeled in the picture) would be useful for warpgates.
As a suggestion for your particular bindings, since you have Blink and Storm on 4 and 7, why not FF on 1?
Its weird I have this mouse also I bought it for Swtor which it was great for. I was playing starcraft 2 before swtor so now that I have started playing again I honestly feel awkward pressing the buttons on the mouse for things like hatches and queens and just use my keyboard. I think would actually have to practice to not do this and use the naga. Either way I love this mouse just cause.
thanks for the advice (: i am definetly going to try putting my camera hotkeys on my mouse. don't know why i haven't thought about that earlier. i will also try to bind the tech buildings but honestly i think i will just forget that during the game because i dont have to select them that often. 10 minutes ago i took shower (i always get the most interesting ideas while showering :D ) and just had the idea of putting all my army-hotkeys (which are 4 right now) on the mouse. so i have my right hand for army movement and my left hand for macro.
@cydearrm: i have tryed to bind forecields on 1 but it didnt feel comfortable because i make forcefields while keepeing the button pressed and it is a bit hard for me to move the mouse while the thumb is constantly pressing against it.
I used this mouse when I first started playing. Played from bronze to gold with this and got from plat to masters using the logitech g5000. 1,2,3 were for my main,expo, and 3rd respectively. 5 was my scout/obs 8 was for my rallys from robos and/or stargate
the only reason I advise against this is because not all mouses have a bunch of buttons, and learning with the keyboard will make you more versatile, like if youre playing at a friends house or something.
I own the naga and use it, but i never use the buttons XD. Honestly they just complicate everything IMO. You should be use to using your keyboard so you wont need to switch what your use to
I like the idea of having the mouse buttons there but i feel like it's quicker to use the keyboard because you have multiple fingers doing things on the keyboard, whereas with the mouse you use 1 thumb to achieve the same things. BUT the extra buttons could be useful for things like forges, extra observers, scout ovies, etc. So there are definitely advantages to having the mouse buttons but I feel like using the keyboard is probably faster (especially if you use grid hotkeys).
- 1-7 on keyboard for army groups and buildings - f1-f6 camera binds - naga mouse buttons for even more camera binds (i rebound the f7-f8 camera buttons to the naga mouse).
So many camera buttons, but I never really found a use for that many tbh so I started using the g500.
I've never used such a mouse. But it seems like pressing buttons with your thumbs would temporarily weaken your grip on the mouse, and hence your precision as well, right? Not sure if its worth it.
I've been using this mouse since beta and am accustomed to it very well.
1- Main production (gateways, barracks) Main Queen 2- Secondary (Factory, Robo/Stargate) Nat Queen 3- Third (Starport/StarGate) Third Queen 4- Main army 5- Main buildings (CC's, Nexi, Hatcheries) 6- Secondary Units (Ghosts, HT's, Mutas/Infestors, Banes etc.) 7- Upgrade Structures (self-explanatory) 8- Third units (same as above) Prong groupkey (Drops/multi harass) Scouts 9- Fourth Units
the rest are location hotkeys, I will never be able to play SC with any other mouse lol
I tried that when I first started with SC2, but changed off from Naga quite fast as I found it uncomfortable for this type of games. It's not accurate enough and so I dusted off my trusty old Logitech g9. But if you don't have same problem this seems like great idea in general.
I use a Naga as well, mid diamond toss. My nexi on one, gates on two, robo on three, stargates on four, obs on five, eight and six. Army on zero, nine,and seven.
I bound control to one side button on my logitech mouse. I also bound shift to another button, but I rarely use it. it saves me a lot of cramped hand positions when making control groups. I am considering mapping Tab to the scroll wheel, but haven't done it yet.
I use a razor naga as well as a mid/low masters zerg. As far as I can tell, you use tell, you use the naga slightly differently than how I use it. In my opinion it is just really odd to have abilities bound to the thumb grid. Also where are your army control groups? do you use the keyboard for that? How I do it at least is have my army control groups on my naga but I use my abilities with the keyboard. We still both keep our production on the naga.
I've tried to use my side mouse buttons to control drops/small groups of units by mapping them to hotkeys 9 and 0 but I just can't seem to do it effectively. I either forget entirely or slow down a lot when I use them
I've not heard of any pros doing this, which pretty much for me means I'll not bother. I still need to use camera hotkeys.
I kept the mouse buttons the same, and rebounded the ingame hotkeys. 0=e and e becomes my substitute for 4, so instead of 4 being all my hatches, it goes on e and instead of 55v66v77v I can go 44v55v66v which fits well with the layout
Aslong as we only have 12 hotkeys available, it will not be worth it. 1-5 is good enough hotkeys for anyone, then you have Q and W which are bound to useless junk from standard, so those are given as hotkeys. Then mouse 4-5 and perhaps Space. Bottomline is that there are only so many hotkeys to have. Cameras would be a possibility though.
I stayed away from the Naga because it looked like too many buttons to me! I dunno how you manage to hit any given one reliably in a stressful situation... Personally I use a Naga Hex (6 buttons) that I have assigned to cameras 1-4 and ctrl groups 9 and 0.
I played WoW up to a 2950 rating in WotLK and was ~975 masters last season.
I have never tried using the Naga mouse but I have found that even using the two side buttons on just about any mouse is much less effective in sc2 because removing your thumb from the side of the mouse really impairs your accuracy. The huge difference between the two games is that even in high level arena, mouse accuracy really doesn't mean anything as you rarely ever click anything on the screen. This allows the side buttons to be utilized much more effectively without messing up your accuracy.
I used to have a Razer Lachesis (2 buttons on both sides, and 2 little ones below the scroll wheel which I rebound), I've played WoW in the past aswell and used pretty much all of them + shift/cntrl modifiers.
I have used every button in SC aswell, but chose to go for a mouse with less buttons (was using the Lachesis for 3.5 years), now I have a mouse with just 2 at the side which I use for Starport/gate and Factory/Robo and that's enough for me really. I just don't know but at one point the buttons I had to use with my pinky were getting annoying.
Also for the naga isn't it just too many buttons? I asked my mate who had a naga for WoW, but he says he doesn't use any of them at all for Starcraft.
So last night I tried using my naga's side buttons a little more to see how it felt. It was kind awkward still only thing I found that was good was when I would make units and add the eggs to my army hotkey. Otherwise I preferred just using the regular keys for queens and hatcheries.
I have a naga aswell and I've bound 6 to 0 on the mouse because it's inefficient to have my left hand move over the right side of the keyboard. Works great
I only use my mouse buttons for sentries (FF's/G Shield) and Templars (storm) one button for each. I think having too many hotkeys on the mouse would slow you down a bit
These type of mouses are great for MMOS in which your char has over 50+ skills/hot keys needed to play well.
But in RTS games like sc2, It will just make you ALOT slower, Alot of mistakes can be made with accidently hits during high preasure events like trying to maco behind stutter steping @ a master lvl.
It will lower your apm not matter how good you are with the mouse. Might be decent for lower leagues. but custom keybored will always give you faster play. Its very hard to micro fast using multi button/keypad type mouses. Diff in master+ using races like terran tryint to micro a large bio force while macoring behind it, i can forsee alot of miss clicking due to the hot keys on mouse.
Also input on mouse to your CPU is alot slower then hiting keys on your keybored. Just my 2 cents
Be very careful with the Naga. I've had it since I was bronze, and now I'm diamond. It's very VERY hard to go back once you get used to them, My macro slipped down to like high gold from high diamond the first week i switched back because of clicker issues with razer.
Im high masters and I've been using the naga since starcraft 2 launched. Claw grip style with my thumb resting on the 4 on the mouse. I play terran and use 4 on the keyboard for ccs and sometimes 4 on the mouse as well for kind of a hybrid style. I use 7 on the mouse for all production, 8 for factories and 9 for starports. I can play without it I just use 3 for all production but I feel my macro is more accurate with the mouse buttons because theres less movement of your finger. Shift + mouse button is easier imo then shift + key for certain keys that are farther away.
I used my friends NAGA to play SC2 at his house and it was sick, I used it for control groups(8,9,0) and Camera. I tested this in Plat and Masters, for casual, its comfortable and really easy to use, at top levels I see how it could be a problem with the mouse shape/movements/speed. Also I heard it is not allowed in tourneys(?) E.g. GSL/MLG
Overall fun mouse if you are casually playing For pros, it would be dependent on the person, but I would think you can get a better mouse for speed etc.
It is only not aloud if used for macro functions via third party programs or mouse drivers. Otherwise, binding 1 to 1 function to mouse 4 and beyond is within rules.
If you put most used control groups to the mouse side button (such as production facilities, hatches), you cannot spam those keys fast enough to check status. It is cool to put the utilities commands/control group to the side button tho. I used to put my base cam to the side button and it worked amazingly in terms of backspace inject. But now I started to step out of that and start using the space key. Overall I am not a big fan for 12 keys on the side. I like 2 keys, maybe 6 max (the razer mice for DotA 2)
Before getting the Death Adder, I considered the Naga. I decided against it because I figured while it would be good for other games, Starcraft 2 is a lot of mouse movement, which becomes more difficult when trying to hit buttons on the side of it. Also, and I'd love to get some input on this, but how difficult is it to activate the correct button quickly ? Are misclicks common or is there enough room between buttons to get the correct one quickly ? This was another potential drawback that steered me to the 5 button Death Adder.
On June 16 2012 01:17 Voodoo[z] wrote: I played WoW up to a 2950 rating in WotLK and was ~975 masters last season.
I have never tried using the Naga mouse but I have found that even using the two side buttons on just about any mouse is much less effective in sc2 because removing your thumb from the side of the mouse really impairs your accuracy. The huge difference between the two games is that even in high level arena, mouse accuracy really doesn't mean anything as you rarely ever click anything on the screen. This allows the side buttons to be utilized much more effectively without messing up your accuracy.
I use bottom thumb button on mouse for warpgates. It's perfect for me. Not sure I want to play without it ever again.
Also, I use top thumb button for camera move (mouse wheel down rebound), but that's a much more stylistic thing and I'm sure many would disagree ^^
I use this mouse, and for a while I used the 10 button for forges, but I don't really find it all that useful to use these bindings instead of the keyboard, but I understand the ability to gravitate towards it.
I've always used the N52TE, which is not a mouse, but allows me to have many keys under the other hand, in a way that is much better than a simple keyboard. This is an old thread I opened about it:
As for the mouse, I use a mouse 4 extra buttons, but more than that would seem hard to use: it seems like pressing a specific button on the side of that mouse isn't so easy, especially if you got big fingers
On June 16 2012 15:02 Kaitlin wrote: Before getting the Death Adder, I considered the Naga. I decided against it because I figured while it would be good for other games, Starcraft 2 is a lot of mouse movement, which becomes more difficult when trying to hit buttons on the side of it. Also, and I'd love to get some input on this, but how difficult is it to activate the correct button quickly ? Are misclicks common or is there enough room between buttons to get the correct one quickly ? This was another potential drawback that steered me to the 5 button Death Adder.
I've used the naga almost since it came out. To me, the buttons feel incredibly large. I know that they are fairly small, but when I am first binding a button I visualize where it is to the action it performs in game and I visualize a huge button. I can distinguish a large difference in thumb position for each button.
However it did take some getting used to.
I agree with the reduced accuracy, in SC2 I would only use it for functions that don't require accuracy. For instance, if you are trying to snipe, that horizontal pressure can shift the cursor enough to miss the snipe or to snipe the wrong unit. However for more broad actions I like using it. Such as changing camera location or unit binding.
With a Logitech G700, I've bound 3 buttons to camera locations and the 4 thumb buttons to Nexus, Robo, Stargate and whatever key tech I need to watch/chrono. When I first asked TL what they used mouse buttons for, by and large I got flamed for using mouse buttons but a few helpful posts pointed out some good things to use them for were production facilities.
On March 09 2015 04:19 Maxtorym wrote: Is legal to do this in a tournament?
You can have a naga mouse and use the keys on the side, it's not really an advantage I would find it harder to use than my keyboard because you would have to sync up two hands rather than just go fast with one. Whatever works for anyone else. Only thing not legal is binding 1 key to do multiple things (macro key)
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This thread made me pull out my old naga and replace my MX518 I will be using the buttons for keys 
