[G] TheCore - Advanced Keyboard Layout - Page 158

On March 25 2013 13:49 JaKaTaK wrote:
EDIT:

The ultra super mega alpha version of TheCore 1.0 is finished on TheCore Archives

Swim at your own risk, don't go out too far over your head

On March 26 2013 03:00 Shompol wrote:
Hate to be the devil's advocate here, but somebody needs to say it:

Since TheCore is using the keyboard in unconventional ways (left hand on right side), it is essentially changing standard keyboard into a game controller, the down side being that you need to turn the keyboard and have lots more of it than needed.

How does it stack against purpose-built game keyboards, such as this Belkin or Toshiba or Logitech?

As a laptop user I already have a separate keyboard for StarCraft, but a dedicated controller would be easer to move around and better at achieving all the efficiency goals that gave birth to TheCore.

On March 26 2013 03:53 Rankith wrote:
Also, I have been playiing around with the increased use of / the last few days. I'm really having trouble with it for building. Shifting my thumb to click has so far just interrupted the flow of my hand on the keyboard and I get a little misaligned frequently.

Anyone been using the thumb for a bit and gotten used to it? It didnt take me anywhere near this long to adapt to other finger changes.

On March 26 2013 05:07 Smackzilla wrote:

The HoTS 1.7 hotkey trainer has been a real help. I'm fairly comfortable with / for build basic now. I figure the rest is just time needed for the brain the finish rewiring itself.

On March 26 2013 07:03 Crosswind wrote:
Not really on board with the / building. Watched the video, don't agree. Here's the simple argument:

In previous versions of the core, build keys were pressed with the index finger (Right-handed), here, and building keys were pressed with middle, ring, or pinky fingers. So to shift queue buildings, you pressed:

Thumb + Index, (Middle/Ring/Pinky) + Click.

You will note that I add in a + here because, as the actions are done with different hands, there's little reason for there to be any lapse in between them.

Now, you have to:

Thumb, Middle/Ring/Pinky, Thumb + click.

Not only am I having to use my thumb twice in one sequence, but my timing has to be more accurate because there's less room for error.

I am, in general, a big fan of The Core, but this change is silly. The Build function is used over 5 times as much as the the Hold Position function. Why on earth would you make the second most common action less convenient (involving two thumb presses!) to make the 5th most common action marginally more convenient?

-Cross


Edit: For the purposes of helpfulness: Why not just put Build (advanced) on / and Build(normal) on '? Build(normal) is used 11 times as much, and you shift queue out normal buildings way more (setting up bases) than you shift-queue out advanced buildings. Then you could still have your love of hold position, but not inconvenience most building by forcing a double-thumb click.

On March 26 2013 07:12 Borskey wrote:
I've got a question: if I plan on playing both Zerg and Terran, should I try to learn both layouts? Or just learn one and stick with that for both races?

I don't plan on playing random- I'll decide ahead of time which race I want to play as, so I'll have time to switch to the correct hotkeys.

On March 26 2013 07:56 Rankith wrote:


If you are going to be switching between races alot I'd go with the random setup as it works with all of them and keeps things like build basic/advanced consistent instead of switching all the time

On March 26 2013 09:24 magha wrote:
Okay I'm considering trying this out as I realize the standard key layout is holding me back greatly. What I don't understand is what the best way is to make control groups.

Left side of the keyboard it's easy to press control+shift with pinky and ring finger. On the right side how am I supposed to do this? Thumb to press both or thumb and index finger? Both feels very unnatural...

You could make an installer with NSIS or whetever that prompts the user for race, handedness, etc. so everything is in one download and you don't have to copy files manually. I can't do NSIS scripting but I'm sure you could find someone.

On March 26 2013 12:12 JaKaTaK wrote:
This is from youtube:



Can anyone do this?

On March 26 2013 09:24 magha wrote:
Okay I'm considering trying this out as I realize the standard key layout is holding me back greatly. What I don't understand is what the best way is to make control groups.

Left side of the keyboard it's easy to press control+shift with pinky and ring finger. On the right side how am I supposed to do this? Thumb to press both or thumb and index finger? Both feels very unnatural...

On March 26 2013 07:03 Crosswind wrote:
Not really on board with the / building. Watched the video, don't agree. Here's the simple argument:

In previous versions of the core, build keys were pressed with the index finger (Right-handed), here, and building keys were pressed with middle, ring, or pinky fingers. So to shift queue buildings, you pressed:

Thumb + Index, (Middle/Ring/Pinky) + Click.

You will note that I add in a + here because, as the actions are done with different hands, there's little reason for there to be any lapse in between them.

Now, you have to:

Thumb, Middle/Ring/Pinky, Thumb + click.

Not only am I having to use my thumb twice in one sequence, but my timing has to be more accurate because there's less room for error.

I am, in general, a big fan of The Core, but this change is silly. The Build function is used over 5 times as much as the the Hold Position function. Why on earth would you make the second most common action less convenient (involving two thumb presses!) to make the 5th most common action marginally more convenient?

-Cross


Edit: For the purposes of helpfulness: Why not just put Build (advanced) on / and Build(normal) on '? Build(normal) is used 11 times as much, and you shift queue out normal buildings way more (setting up bases) than you shift-queue out advanced buildings. Then you could still have your love of hold position, but not inconvenience most building by forcing a double-thumb click.