[G] The ultimate TvP all in - 11/11 rax metagame exploitat…

On April 26 2012 18:57 thepeonwhocould wrote:
The thing is, there is actually a very similar build which has become extremely popular on korean GM ladder in the last month. The difference is, the korean version is not all in. The korean version is 11 in base rax, 12 proxy rax. Normal SCV production, bunker at your natural at 24 supply. You push out with about 6 marines and 5 scvs, rallying more marines. (makes Protoss think it is a 1 rax gasless expand). You build the proxy rax somewhere near your main, so it can be floated home after you execute the rush. It is impossible to tell the difference between this build and a 1 rax gasless expand unless you scout the proxy barracks, or suicide a unit past the bunker (even so, maybe your CC is in your base?). You move out at 24 supply, and build a command centre at your natural at 27 supply, then 2 gas and transition.

Here is that build being executed in GSL a few days ago;

http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/vod/67145 (first game in set so no sub required I believe). NB; he transitions in to a tank attack but that's not necessary, you can transition into a normal 3 rax 1 starport build.

I do believe this build will have a big impact on the metagame, as it means that a 1 rax expand is no longer a safe build for Protoss. I think this build will result in terran getting an earlier expansion than protoss, but previously many protoss could get their natural expansion the same time or earlier than the terran. The key to the success of this build is the fact that it cannot be distinguished from a 1 rax gasless expand. In a best of 5 series, you could alternate between 1 rax gasless, and 11 inbase/12 proxy rax, and the Protoss will never get an expansion earlier than you.

I have been using the build in this video for the last week and it does kill most early protoss expands while securing your own expansion. I recommend players learn the non-all in version of this build as it will help you improve much more.

On April 26 2012 19:12 Douillos wrote:


Thank you, that seems interesting, do you know how much the 12 rax is delayed compared to a normal 12 rax?

EDIT sorry i didnt read properly -_- Do they supply depot scout?

On April 27 2012 01:17 Breach_hu wrote:
any toss who can count scvs can see that something is going on~

On April 27 2012 01:31 bLah. wrote:


any toss that can use obs can see your build, any toss that know how to micro can beat you, any toss that has good macro can beat you, any toss that knows how to storm/feedback can beat you, boo hoo, that's not the point.

Builds like this are pretty good to have up your sleeve in tournament play and it's good if people refine them (small things like where to put them, what to do in which situation) and explain them on forums

Hi TL !

I’m here to present you a build that made me enter the Grand Master League at season 2, and kept me at a Top master level so far. This BO is EASY to execute, extremely POWERFUL, UNEXPECTED, provides QUICK WINS and will make you reach an UNREAL WIN RATIO in TvP once you master it.

It works on any map, on any position and beats any Protoss opening. All you need is to execute it perfectly, respect the timing and follow the thought process.

On April 26 2012 15:07 TechSc2 wrote:
so standard marine scv all in....

I really applaud the way you wrote the guide, and you put alot of effort into making it, but...

It's still an marine scv all in that is easy to scout since you make a 11 rax, and the only reason terrans makes an 11 rax is to do 11/11 marine scv all in.

So if a marine pops out before 3:20, you know it's an 11 rax and you can almost 100% sure say there is a second 11, or 13 rax incoming, go 3 stalker rush with chrono spend on gateways instead of warpgate and block ramp with gateways/pylons and start picking off marines.