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ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 06:35:14
April 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#21
11/11 proxy rax == "The metagame revolution!"

Somehow I doubt. Sure it's good for a few cheesy wins, but you can't wall off, so a good toss will see the difference between an 11 rax with scv cutting vs a 12rax with 15OC.
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FakeDouble
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia676 Posts
April 26 2012 06:46 GMT
#22
While the idea of 11/11 is not new, this is a very well written guide explaining the step by step execution and reasoning behind why it works. It is not simply "hurr durr build 2 rax and a-move", but tricking your opponent into assuming you are 1-rax expoing and punishing them for assuming too much.

Due to heavy emphasis on TL,net that 'macro' is better, I find that I don't actually know how to cheese without a starport when I play terran (cloaked banshee rush).

Thanks OP
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
April 26 2012 07:09 GMT
#23
lol high masters players can tell when a rax was made on a 11 which would never be done with a 1 rax exapnd...fail but congrats on cheeseing your way to high masters and atleast it was well written
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Viperbird
Profile Joined September 2010
United States118 Posts
April 26 2012 07:12 GMT
#24
Revolutionizing the meta-game by not letting it get that far
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
April 26 2012 07:13 GMT
#25
Came in thinking it would be a cheap guide without much detail......

Left with a powerful TvP build to use in BoX's.
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oMNY.SEA
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia47 Posts
April 26 2012 07:40 GMT
#26
Metagame revolution? The -only- thing widespread use of this build will do is train Protosses to analyse the SCV count properly to accurately discern when a cheese is coming. Basically the same effect any half decent cheese build does. So while the people using this build arent really getting any better, they are training their opponents to play a tighter, more informed game. Basically all you will get is minor micro practice and a few cheap wins (if that). Have fun.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
April 26 2012 07:56 GMT
#27
On April 26 2012 16:09 IamPryda wrote:
lol high masters players can tell when a rax was made on a 11 which would never be done with a 1 rax exapnd...fail but congrats on cheeseing your way to high masters and atleast it was well written


...

I don't even...

Why do you fail at reading (or even looking at gigantic pictures!) the part of the OP where he made GM and is top masters with this build.

I just tried this build tvp, tvt AND tvz. Got me 5 free wins in under 30 minutes. Problem? I think not.

Thanks for the detailed execution.
memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
April 26 2012 07:59 GMT
#28
What? Why so much hate? If this build has a 90% winrate it means one of two things. Either The OP is very good at the game or the build itself is really good. I'm guessing the latter since its a rush and he says himself that it's quite easy to execute. Who cares what it is. If it has a better winrate than playing standard then why not do it?

And if you say it takes no skill etc etc, it's still a good tournament build for sure, especially if you know your opponent is better than you. Thanks for putting in the effort OP. Wish I played terran so I could try it myself.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
April 26 2012 08:06 GMT
#29
I don't really see any way in which this is preferable to a 3rax. :/ And when you say that sentries are the worst thing to make against this build, you're clearly wrong, because he can just forcefield the ramp to keep you out, which means he's mining and making units and you aren't.
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Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 08:14:15
April 26 2012 08:10 GMT
#30
Did someone mentionned BitByBit yet ?

It was already said but saying one will revolutionnize TvP metagame by presenting a cheese build is .... misleading at least. Plus I personnally dislike Guide on all-ins build, as it does not help me grow as a (gold) player.
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moQbara
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania76 Posts
April 26 2012 08:13 GMT
#31
Seems like an effective way of cheesing, similar to Geiko's build. I commend you for that.
However, it is what it is - a good build for ladder wins, but neither "ultimate" nor "revolution". I doubt we'll be seeing half the TvPs in pro competitions boil down to it (which is what I would expect out of ultimate / revolution / etc ).
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
April 26 2012 08:17 GMT
#32
Aw poo I thought this was an actual guide to macro play, not a cheese. Nice write up regardless, though a bit misleading.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 08:25:39
April 26 2012 08:25 GMT
#33
seem normal in korean server,fail OP -.-
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Bakkendepao
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands185 Posts
April 26 2012 08:31 GMT
#34
Im high master protoss myself, and I experienced this BO on ladder once. This build is pretty good but any smart protoss would look at your scv count and from there deduct its an all-in. He just walls in with 2 gates while he keeps chrononing his normal gates, and eventually pull all his probes for a fight aswell and win the game. This isn't ultimate, it's just some kind of undiscovered cheese.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
April 26 2012 08:45 GMT
#35
why veto korhal? Surely Daybreak is way bigger Oo
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
April 26 2012 08:54 GMT
#36
Thank you, I will try this
moQbara
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania76 Posts
April 26 2012 09:06 GMT
#37
I've just noticed the following sentry analysis:

Sentry is anyway the worst thing to do against this build. They deal almost no damage. The building time of a sentry (42 seconds, 21 with chronoboost) lasts more time than one force field (15 seconds). That’s wasted time on a gate. Stalker is a much preferred unit (more damage, faster).


Since patch 1.3.3 sentries take 37s to build instead of 42. Also, when chronoboosting something the total time doesn't get cut in half, but rather reduced by (at most) 50%.
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Connor987
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom103 Posts
April 26 2012 09:14 GMT
#38
if you think that a marine scv in 'will change the meta game' you are sadly mistaken my friend, should be easy enough to hold
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
April 26 2012 09:28 GMT
#39
On April 26 2012 15:16 wichenks wrote:
the ultimate tvp build? come on dude. 11/11 proxy rax. the title should read "tvp cheese" not a guide. thanks.


Sadly I have to agree with this.
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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1964 Posts
April 26 2012 09:43 GMT
#40
Offal, you're the guy that plays random and cheeses every game right ? I think I haven't lost a single time to you out of the 4 of 5 games we've played

Nice guide but "metagame revolution" is pushing it a bit However I do appreciate the amount of details you give. Good job.
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