EPT[G] PvP 11gate into 3gate press - Page 5
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 23 2011 07:59 Ouga wrote: As someone mentioned, I don't quite get the part what you'd do against gas steal. The NORMAL gassteal happens when you are about to start your zlot, so there's no way to do the pressure while also destroying it. I feel like the "pressure" turns into allin if you're forced to let the gas stay alive: opponents tend to fullblock their ramp and just hard counter your build if they notice you don't destroy the steal. If you do, however, you aren't able to get your probe to make the proxypylons since lot+stalker aren't there to disrupt their stalkers. If they are stealing your gas that early, you can steal theirs as well. If they take their 2nd gas and steal yours, that's an entire gw for them that won't be up for WG research so your pressure will be that much stronger. I'd advise not to try to take it down with your initial zealot stalker and instead commit to the rush. I don't see this as too much of a problem | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
I'm saying I don't think it can be helped that sometimes opponent goes 3gas against your 1. It's just matter of what's the best reaction to it from this BO. I'd argue that it might be the best to just cut to allining, instead of doing pressure and then very much later warp zlots in your main to kill off that gas @ 7:00ish. His WG is likely 15sec behind, while also putting 150mins on gases, I'd rather cut probes to 18-20 and 4g out of this. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
I've been pondering what my responses should be if i don't outright kill my opponent. If they 4 gated, 3 gated, if i see a robo, stargate etc. As well as a mirror build. I'd love to hear ur thoughts. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 23 2011 23:50 ReachTheSky wrote: Just switched to Protoss recently and i wanna say i love this build!!! i've been practicing it daily. The fastest i can get the warp in was 5:25. Usually its around 5:30ish give or take 1-2 seconds. Thanks so much for sharing this ^_^. I'd love to hear about some of ur other builds vs other matchups (10/11 gate thats is, i just love the early core builds, so versatile) I've been pondering what my responses should be if i don't outright kill my opponent. If they 4 gated, 3 gated, if i see a robo, stargate etc. As well as a mirror build. I'd love to hear ur thoughts. post me some replays and i'd be glad to comment on them! typically if they 4gate, you want to warp in your zealots defensively because there's no way you can apply the pressure whilst clearing all the pylons on your side of the map and play it safe with your 2nd gas (2 sentries after zealot warp in since you'll have enough gas for that). Any build you go against with this that doesn't have 3 gateways will be hard pressed to hold you off. Any transition is extremely dependent on how many units you see them make, what kind of units they are and how effectively they parry the attack so yes I'd need to see replays to give specific advice! | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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Phantom09
United States73 Posts
 Thank you Alejandrisha!!!!! | ||
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ma70
253 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 24 2011 10:27 ma70 wrote: I have to ask (since I'm bad at PvP), what do you do against a 10 gate 4 gate with this build? If you scout a gate/core that is faster than yours, I'd advise you not to put up aggressive pylons unless you know for sure he's not 4gating--this can be difficult as I have seen some 10 gate builds that turn into 2gate for very fast pairs of stalkers and you really can't tell whether or not they're adding 2 gates or not. I'd advise you to play defensively against this kind of play (10 gate into gate-core-gate, or 10 gate along with not being able to rule out 4gate) and start mining from your 2nd gas more quickly to get out a sentry or 2 for defense. After that, you'll have a better economy because of your 2nd gas and your 11 gate vs his 10 (he cut more probes). | ||
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Lemonayd
United States745 Posts
I did run into somebody doing the 3 stalker build which gave me some issues, but when I ran into him the second time he d/c'd, so I won in the end ^^. | ||
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Fairwell
Austria195 Posts
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ChineseWife
United States373 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 24 2011 14:01 ChineseWife wrote: whats a good timing for warpins with this build? i think the first time i tried it i had 3 stalkers warping in at 5:26 5:22 is extremely good and it's what you want to shoot for. 5:26 for a first try is very good... | ||
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ma70
253 Posts
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bigbros2
United Kingdom18 Posts
I'll try and post a replay later tonight for some of your thoughts and how I can refine the way I do the build. | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 25 2011 02:40 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Any chance of a replay where you execute it correctly? o.o even oz/hero don't always get the timings down perfectly each time. the skill cieling on this build is extremely high when you consider the zel/stalk micro in the middle of the map as well as dealing with the enemy probe scout and still managing to hit all 5 cb's. we still haven't seen a perfect player and even the best only approach the ideal timings on this build when they do it | ||
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aristeia
United States5 Posts
I don't think anybody has asked the obligatory question, so can you do this on Tal'darim Altar? It seems like there isn't any reason you shouldn't be able to, but I have not tried it. | ||
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