[G] PvP 11gate into 3gate press - Page 3

On October 09 2011 20:32 Anihc wrote:
o.o I've been using this exact same build for almost a year now lol. Really good build when people don't know how to react properly to it. It gets soft countered though by a standard 4 gate, and I know that you talk about how to deal with 4 gate in your guide but if you play perfectly you still end up a little behind, and if you mess up just a little (i.e. lose the 1z1s battle, or mistime a chrono or two by a few seconds, etc. ) it's auto loss for you.

I still think it's a great build but I've definitely stopped using it as much because people aren't overreacting to seeing my fast warpgate, and I just end up not really being able to do much damage with the 1z4s attack and end up economically behind.

This build is one of my favorite builds against weaker players though since it's really easy to force mistakes (or just get a huge advantage if opponent has no clue how to react), plus the early 11 gate helps you react/defend better to early cheeses if not scouted immediately.

On October 10 2011 00:49 Geiko wrote:
My analysis is that, it isn't really worth it to sacrifice 1 gate and a unit for only 5 seconds additional time (because if we execute the builds perfectly, this is exactly how much more time you have). In fact, what you gain from getting an 11 gate is almost exactly what you gain form microing your workers. I would advise everyone to work on their execution (worker pairing, split, and placing buildings at exact timings) before thinking of winning seconds with an 11 gate.
I've seen GMs place their first pylon at 50 secs, and get their 12 gate at 1:37 which is kinda huge when you know the optimal times (best possible) are 44 secs and 1:30...

On October 11 2011 01:22 freemoney wrote:

With such late scouting, what is the proper response to a proxy 2gate? 3 zealots at your ramp with 2 more on the way when your stalker has just finished building seems like a huge challenge. Do you just roll the dice and think to yourself "I hope he's not proxy 2gating me"?

On October 11 2011 01:42 marvellosity wrote:


I'd like this answered too. As far as I know, putting a core down instead of a 2nd gate is pretty much auto-lose vs proxy 2 gate. And you have no way of knowing because you're not scouting.

On October 10 2011 13:53 Alejandrisha wrote:

Can you post a replay of you running this build vs AI? I'd like to see wg timing/robo timing/how many gates are done at wg timing/ # of probes/ timing or presence of 2nd gas that kind of thing
really curious to see
thanks!!

edit: or just provide an indepth BO that I could run for the sake of holding all else constant?

On October 11 2011 08:11 Nostrada wrote:


I've encountered proxy gates 3 times using this build and I beat them all.
Stalker micro needs to be good tho. Chrono the gateway when you see the zealots coming.
Fight with some probes and pull them back when they're dying. I made a proxy pylon to their base and ended the games with first warp-in.

I'm loving this build. Getting really good results atm @ 1400 master level.

On October 11 2011 08:34 Jaeger wrote:


I don't see how the stalker micro has any bearing can't he just kill all your probes while you're microing your stalker? Replays would help.

On October 11 2011 09:21 Nostrada wrote:


Here's an example proxy gate game: http://replayfu.com/download/27c5b07ba1717be3badce72a2f692673

I didn't remember to scout the proxy location in that game.
He even unpowered my gateway when he killed a pylon.
With a little bit of probe micro losses are avoidable.

On October 11 2011 10:06 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Mr. Alej, I tried out this build, and I beat my practice partner with it after actually doing it right after the 7th try.... Problem is, next game he went "" And warped his stalkers in the back of his base, so I couldn't attack them while warping.... thing is, he only warped in 3 stalkers and warped 1 at my main.... then when I tried to pull back and make the 3 zealots to defend... he began to kite them and warped in 4 zealots at my main.... So I ended up retreating into a crazy melee of my 3z vs his 4z1s at my main while running my 3 stalkers back... with his 3 stalkers in hot pursuit... I did some decent econ damage (i.e. 4 probes) but he just pulled gas probes to minerals and then overwhelmed me with superior zealot production! Is there anyway to stop this?

On October 11 2011 08:29 Jaeger wrote:


I assume he means this? I'm not aware of any others.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238165

timings: + Show Spoiler +

I'm pretty sure it loses to this 11gate fast warpgate build. I remember testing against 11gate 4gate and the 11gater brought 2 probes making it impossible to reliably stop the high ground pylon and first warp-in.