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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 16 2012 20:18 GMT
#4441
3 hatch before gas? Go for stargate.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Edde05
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden4 Posts
April 16 2012 21:16 GMT
#4442
Hi!
I have some trouble getting out of bronze leauge as protoss, and i cannot really put my finger on the problem. During my games it feels like im doing most of it right. Would somone be able to help me? ( not sure if i need to upload my replays though, since i'm completely new to TL)
thanks in advance
ThirdDegree
Profile Joined February 2011
United States329 Posts
April 17 2012 04:53 GMT
#4443
I have always had a problem with my macro. When expanding I usually am slow to add on the proper production facilities to take advantage of the income boost. Generally I add either too early, when I should still be working on my army, or too late and I have a huge bank and a tiny army. When you guys expand, when do you add on more gateways/robos/forges/etc?

(Plat player)
I am terrible
ThePianoDentist
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom698 Posts
April 17 2012 05:08 GMT
#4444
On April 17 2012 06:16 Edde05 wrote:
Hi!
I have some trouble getting out of bronze leauge as protoss, and i cannot really put my finger on the problem. During my games it feels like im doing most of it right. Would somone be able to help me? ( not sure if i need to upload my replays though, since i'm completely new to TL)
thanks in advance


replay for sure. How can we instruct you on how to play better if we haven't seen you play?
Brood War Protoss, SC2 Terran/Protoss
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
April 17 2012 05:19 GMT
#4445
On April 17 2012 13:53 ThirdDegree wrote:
I have always had a problem with my macro. When expanding I usually am slow to add on the proper production facilities to take advantage of the income boost. Generally I add either too early, when I should still be working on my army, or too late and I have a huge bank and a tiny army. When you guys expand, when do you add on more gateways/robos/forges/etc?

(Plat player)


When exactly you add on production facilities will vary depending on what you are making. Still, assuming some basic gateway heavy composition, I'd add a few gates while the nexus was making. Sometimes I would add those gates as a wall to make the new expo safer. The idea is, your income should be getting slightly ahead of your army production anyway, since you managed to save up 400 for the nexus, so then you can afford to add gates. Then, when the nexus finishes your income will jump up again, and you can afford to produce out of the gates you just added.

Of course this can change if the added production is a robo or if you are planning to invest very heavily into tech. i.e. I would probably delay adding gates if I was adding forges and a twilight for 3 upgrades I wanted to start asap.
Edde05
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden4 Posts
April 17 2012 05:21 GMT
#4446
On April 17 2012 14:08 ThePianoDentist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 06:16 Edde05 wrote:
Hi!
I have some trouble getting out of bronze leauge as protoss, and i cannot really put my finger on the problem. During my games it feels like im doing most of it right. Would somone be able to help me? ( not sure if i need to upload my replays though, since i'm completely new to TL)
thanks in advance


replay for sure. How can we instruct you on how to play better if we haven't seen you play?


It's just i don't really know where to upload them and so on? Should i like upload video on youtube or upload the file or something?

aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
April 17 2012 05:24 GMT
#4447
Upload the game file(s) to here, mate: http://drop.sc/
KT best KT ~ 2014
Hayang
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
April 17 2012 06:05 GMT
#4448
Hey, I'd just like to drop by to ask the masters for some build order recommendations that outline a good proactive, aggressive-macro style build with a good midgame timing push idea, that will solve some of the problems P deals with in the current metagame. I really just want a game plan that will make me more aware of good timings to hit, what my opponent is capable of doing, etc.

So maybe one (or branches from one opener) build for each race, maybe with an annotation on what it's good against, what it's bad against, and what important decision making I need to do at what time to make adjustments.

I'd like to break my platinum plateau and find focused game plans that will get me into diamond or even low masters without cheese. After being in plat for a while I feel like that will be all it takes.

Sorry that this probably has been asked countless times
Edde05
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden4 Posts
April 17 2012 16:33 GMT
#4449
Ok, so here'z the first one of my replays. For some strange reason a 4v4 game also got uploaded but ignore that one
The link is http://drop.sc/161463

username is Eddy. I'll upload more replays later

Thanks in advance :D
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 18 2012 12:09 GMT
#4450
On April 17 2012 15:05 Hayang wrote:
Hey, I'd just like to drop by to ask the masters for some build order recommendations that outline a good proactive, aggressive-macro style build with a good midgame timing push idea, that will solve some of the problems P deals with in the current metagame. I really just want a game plan that will make me more aware of good timings to hit, what my opponent is capable of doing, etc.

So maybe one (or branches from one opener) build for each race, maybe with an annotation on what it's good against, what it's bad against, and what important decision making I need to do at what time to make adjustments.

I'd like to break my platinum plateau and find focused game plans that will get me into diamond or even low masters without cheese. After being in plat for a while I feel like that will be all it takes.

Sorry that this probably has been asked countless times


What matchup?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
April 18 2012 17:51 GMT
#4451
What are you guys doing in PvT against the MKP 2-Medivac timing? I've found that if I try to go to HT/Archon, the push comes before storm finishes and depending on the map and other player's micro, I'll hold about 50% of the time. If I go for Robo bay, they've already got a reactor-starport and can immediately start churning out vikings to stimy colossus production.
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
April 18 2012 23:10 GMT
#4452
On April 19 2012 02:51 turamn wrote:
What are you guys doing in PvT against the MKP 2-Medivac timing? I've found that if I try to go to HT/Archon, the push comes before storm finishes and depending on the map and other player's micro, I'll hold about 50% of the time. If I go for Robo bay, they've already got a reactor-starport and can immediately start churning out vikings to stimy colossus production.


Creator-Prime's Double forge style will have 6 gates, 2 immortals 1-1upgrades finished with plenty of sentries and gateway units to hold off this timing assuming proper control.

blink should be halfway done/close to finished too so when they retreat you can pick off the medivacs and any straggling units with ease.
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
dramage
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1 Post
April 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#4453
Hey i am posting here so that i can maybe dodge having to make a new thread.

I've been thinking of doing a FFE into 1SG and 1robo (with gates ofc) play against zerg because I am very terrible against muta play with HT and blink micro in defending and i can't ever get out of a defensive mindset so the zerg just expands everywhere over the map. i'm thinking/hoping the robo also helps me defend against roaches if he chooses to techswitch so i can have room to switch based on what i see.

Mainly, i just want to be able to defend against mutalisks without having to storm,split and blink stalkers to defend, send zealots to defend against lings, harass with DT, manage warp prisms, and macro at the same time.

If my idea for a build sucks or won't work can anyone point me to a build that i can open with that's not an all-in and gives me to room to wiggle in against mutas so that i dont have to have the APM a pro? Perferably something with SG so i can harass with pheonix and voids. TY
its all in the game
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
April 18 2012 23:58 GMT
#4454
On April 19 2012 08:52 dramage wrote:
Hey i am posting here so that i can maybe dodge having to make a new thread.

I've been thinking of doing a FFE into 1SG and 1robo (with gates ofc) play against zerg because I am very terrible against muta play with HT and blink micro in defending and i can't ever get out of a defensive mindset so the zerg just expands everywhere over the map. i'm thinking/hoping the robo also helps me defend against roaches if he chooses to techswitch so i can have room to switch based on what i see.

Mainly, i just want to be able to defend against mutalisks without having to storm,split and blink stalkers to defend, send zealots to defend against lings, harass with DT, manage warp prisms, and macro at the same time.

If my idea for a build sucks or won't work can anyone point me to a build that i can open with that's not an all-in and gives me to room to wiggle in against mutas so that i dont have to have the APM a pro? Perferably something with SG so i can harass with pheonix and voids. TY



here's a modern build that opens stargate and transitions into robo (colossus) and a third

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318708

if you suspect muta, the guide tells you to tech blink and HT, however Ive seen hero instead go for phoenix and range and then continue into colossus once muta harass has been limited/shut down.

Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
Docta Spaceman
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States74 Posts
April 19 2012 01:46 GMT
#4455
How do you guys adjust in PvZ when you FFE and you see the zerg expand with gas, and then confirm zergling speed? I normally plan to do some sort of +1 pressure after I FFE, and then am unsure of the best path once I see speed research.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 19 2012 03:01 GMT
#4456
On April 19 2012 10:46 Docta Spaceman wrote:
How do you guys adjust in PvZ when you FFE and you see the zerg expand with gas, and then confirm zergling speed? I normally plan to do some sort of +1 pressure after I FFE, and then am unsure of the best path once I see speed research.


You have to keep poking to confirm if they stop gas at 100, or keep going. If they keep mining it's pretty indicative of a roach or bane bust.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
StevieWonder333
Profile Joined December 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2012 03:35 GMT
#4457
Where is the best place to download replays of Code S protoss players?
Bkennedy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
April 19 2012 03:44 GMT
#4458
On April 17 2012 05:18 mizU wrote:
3 hatch before gas? Go for stargate.


While generally solid advice, I don't think that's the "end-all-be-all" answer to three hatch.
It's probably the best (maybe immortals are better?) way to get a 3rd base securely. But three hatch before gas just seems to be begging for a +1 2 base timing, which hits pretty strong. Can usually deny a third, or at the very least help secure yours.

Bkennedy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
April 19 2012 03:45 GMT
#4459
On April 19 2012 12:35 StevieWonder333 wrote:
Where is the best place to download replays of Code S protoss players?



Some of them release replay packs here, but you could just as easily check out the vods at gom.tv.

Regardless, there are much easier replays to find from foreign players, which really probably make a difference if it's code S or NA gm at your level.
StevieWonder333
Profile Joined December 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2012 03:52 GMT
#4460
On April 19 2012 12:45 XenocideFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 12:35 StevieWonder333 wrote:
Where is the best place to download replays of Code S protoss players?



Some of them release replay packs here, but you could just as easily check out the vods at gom.tv.

Regardless, there are much easier replays to find from foreign players, which really probably make a difference if it's code S or NA gm at your level.


I want to see the best there is. I know I'm only diamond but I wanna see a dude with 5 times my apm doing the dirty.
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