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Cosmology
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada360 Posts
April 03 2012 13:31 GMT
#4341
Where can I find the recent MLG replays?
Somewhere, something amazing is waiting to be known.
Dhul
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland52 Posts
April 03 2012 14:34 GMT
#4342
On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).

He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)

I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Gate_Nexus_YufFE I think you are talking about this build
zarcel
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland7 Posts
April 03 2012 16:09 GMT
#4343
Simple questions from me:
What did I do wrong and is it possible to defend at this stage of the game?
Some facts:
I was aware of the push and his tech. I have targeted tanks.

http://drop.sc/151042
Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
April 03 2012 16:13 GMT
#4344
On April 03 2012 23:34 Dhul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).

He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)

I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Gate_Nexus_YufFE I think you are talking about this build


Or this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315275
"Life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery." - f33red k0r34n z3rg
SkyBlaze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada191 Posts
April 03 2012 16:19 GMT
#4345
On April 04 2012 01:13 PetrBlaha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 23:34 Dhul wrote:
On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).

He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)

I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Gate_Nexus_YufFE I think you are talking about this build


Or this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315275


Those two builds are the same just one has minor adjustments to it to make it more macro orientated. Even the the thread starter states this in the first post. The other things he mention are just the fellow ups to the build opening.
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
April 03 2012 20:22 GMT
#4346
On April 03 2012 22:31 Cosmology wrote:
Where can I find the recent MLG replays?


Dude...just go to the site. All the vods are up.

http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/events/10-winter-championship
KT best KT ~ 2014
SkyBlaze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada191 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 21:13:51
April 03 2012 21:11 GMT
#4347
On April 04 2012 01:09 zarcel wrote:
Simple questions from me:
What did I do wrong and is it possible to defend at this stage of the game?
Some facts:
I was aware of the push and his tech. I have targeted tanks.

http://drop.sc/151042



put more effort or no one will help you, or even watch that replay. please fellow the rules next time and I might help you. =D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479

Rules still apply when asking questions or asking ppl to review your replay.

unless it's a simple question about atk timings/tech timings.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 17:34:38
April 04 2012 17:33 GMT
#4348
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 18:12:29
April 04 2012 18:12 GMT
#4349
On April 05 2012 02:33 Sated wrote:
What is the latest timing for Zerg to take a fast third expansion against a FFE? I want to work out at what point I should dedicate myself to a +1 4gate Zealot build. Also, if I see that they're not taking a fast third and are getting Spine Crawlers, should I assume Mutalisks and go into a +1 6gate all-in?

EDIT:

For reference, I am using the Forge-Gate-Core-Expand build Feast used against IdrA at IEM, so it isn't a traditional +1 4gate Zealot build. It hits earlier. Having a lot of joy with it, Zerg players just aren't ready for that earlier timing and seem to lose their third a lot :D


At our level people often are just fucking bad and don't take that third in my experience, but generally i'd say around 6 minutes.

I personally don't think 6gate is that good if he is getting spines and getting ready for 2base muta (works wonders vs risky 3base muta that skips roaches though), attacking into 8 spines is never fun and besides if he is going 2 base muta he is sacrificing a crapton of econ to do so, so defending and playing the macro game is a lot easier.
Also, you might run into infestor/ling too, and i think in that scenario it's quite easy to buy enough time for the infestors to pop out and stop your attack.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 04 2012 18:22 GMT
#4350
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FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
April 04 2012 18:56 GMT
#4351
On April 04 2012 05:22 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 22:31 Cosmology wrote:
Where can I find the recent MLG replays?


Dude...just go to the site. All the vods are up.

http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/events/10-winter-championship


It is totally different between VoDs and replays.You can learn so much more by watching replays then vods,and about the MLG replays i believe they stop posting them since mlg anaheim 2011.
Where do whores go?
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
April 04 2012 19:33 GMT
#4352
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I misread that. >_<

My bad.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Catchafire2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States227 Posts
April 05 2012 00:18 GMT
#4353
In PvP, if my opponent goes double robo, do I go double stargate and get many void rays? What is a good number of VRs to get. Should I focus on air upgrade or ground upgrades. What is my desired unit composition when playing the stargate versus double robo style?

Thanks,
jabooty
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
April 05 2012 00:31 GMT
#4354
On April 05 2012 09:18 Catchafire2000 wrote:
In PvP, if my opponent goes double robo, do I go double stargate and get many void rays? What is a good number of VRs to get. Should I focus on air upgrade or ground upgrades. What is my desired unit composition when playing the stargate versus double robo style?

Thanks,

Need way more specifics. What unit composition do both of you have? How many bases? What infrastructure for both players? However, I will say that double stargate is almost never the direct answer to double robo.
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C0MMANDO
Profile Joined March 2012
71 Posts
April 06 2012 01:00 GMT
#4355
http://drop.sc/players/US/3489289/COMMANDO

I know I won the 3 games, but I dont feel i deserved those wins, can anyone tell me when I should work on? macro, micro, build order..


Thank You
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
April 06 2012 01:19 GMT
#4356
On April 06 2012 10:00 C0MMANDO wrote:
http://drop.sc/players/US/3489289/COMMANDO

I know I won the 3 games, but I dont feel i deserved those wins, can anyone tell me when I should work on? macro, micro, build order..


Thank You

If you hadn't deserved them you would not have won.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
SkyBlaze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada191 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 19:34:03
April 06 2012 01:29 GMT
#4357
Does none read the rules anymore? like come on!
please read them! please. We are not trying to be elitist or anything just fellow the rules please.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479

post replays if the question is not simple and post what happened in the game and what builds were used and as well what you think you could work on. ( I.E. like probe production during fights or handling drops and please post loses if win are posted ppl will think your barging if your asking for help.)


[Edit] I should add that the more effort you put in to making the post, the more ppl who would be more inclined to helping you
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
April 06 2012 01:29 GMT
#4358
What game time does the roach warren finish in Stephano ZvP? Are there any guides on his build on LP? I can't find any.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
April 06 2012 01:32 GMT
#4359
On April 06 2012 10:29 Peterblue wrote:
What game time does the roach warren finish in Stephano ZvP? Are there any guides on his build on LP? I can't find any.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320894
look in the intro
It starts at ~7 and gas a 55s build time, so it finishes (along with 1 evo) at ~8 minutes.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
April 06 2012 19:13 GMT
#4360
Hey guys, I'm a top platinum player facing off vs Diamonds, and the build I used to do doesn't really work anymore (2 colo with range off of one base). I'm aware it's an old build and it shouldn't work, but whenever I try to go for blink+obs I either don't do enough damage or just plain fuck up my micro. And I have no experience with Phoenix play and fear my multitasking is just not up to the task. Any suggestions?
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