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Triky
Profile Joined September 2010
Peru99 Posts
June 10 2011 22:32 GMT
#41
someone has a replay?
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tuho133
Profile Joined June 2011
120 Posts
June 11 2011 00:19 GMT
#42
http://www.mediafire.com/?714iqxjyi1vh2qb

Here's my replay, yes I know I'm a noob, and my opponent was not good and teching so hard. I guess he try infestor to FG and banelings bomb, then hydras to sweep everything while mutal or corruptor will join in later.
But this is how I do it, force Z to make spine crawlers to defend. Then expand and get hallucination so I could blink in the main, avoid the defend wall completely. Also put lots of pressure on him so he couldn't out macro me so badly.
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 01:03:21
June 11 2011 01:02 GMT
#43
I recently attended a lan in phoenix and machine and inka were in attendance as well. needless to say inka and machine played quite a few games (in the swiss rounds they played inka beating machine if I recall) and met later in the cut to top 8. Im pretty sure inka was 2-0 against machine in the finals using blink stalkers. I was watching machines screen and saw for the large part he was ahead in the midgame (good creep, early third, good drone saturation) needless to say inka follows up with blink stalkers and proceeds to wittle machine down to nothing.

Well to cut to the chase i asked machine what he think he could have done differently to beat this build and he didnt seem to sure. He said they have been testing it a lot and he didnt seem so sure on how to deal with it. he explained it that stalkers are way to effcient they blink to the back of the line after they lose shields and recharge as they move back to the front with full health again even hydras have trouble keeping up.

as long as you get templar to counter the infestor tech switch this build seems pretty unbeatable

edit: i shouldnt say unbeatable just very resilient
fuck the haters
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 11 2011 01:59 GMT
#44
Very interesting discussion, I'll have to give this a try. +1 blink I had seen before, and I saw anyproprime do it, but I missed the Ace/LoveTT games. I'll post my replays in mid masters when I use it.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 11 2011 02:16 GMT
#45
Does anyone have a replay from kiwikaki or any other pro player doing it? I really wanna try to refine this build to suit my style. And my zergy friend is asking for some help. So i figured I could help him if I had the BO straight up.
thanks.
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
June 11 2011 03:25 GMT
#46
On June 11 2011 09:19 tuho133 wrote:
http://www.mediafire.com/?714iqxjyi1vh2qb

Here's my replay, yes I know I'm a noob, and my opponent was not good and teching so hard. I guess he try infestor to FG and banelings bomb, then hydras to sweep everything while mutal or corruptor will join in later.
But this is how I do it, force Z to make spine crawlers to defend. Then expand and get hallucination so I could blink in the main, avoid the defend wall completely. Also put lots of pressure on him so he couldn't out macro me so badly.


Skip Hallucinations IMO. You should get an obs anyway to fight burrowed roaches, and you want as many forcefields in the initial engagements to help your stalkers survive as much as possible until you hit critical mass.
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ePBuckets
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada207 Posts
June 11 2011 04:21 GMT
#47
you gotta remember kiwi made a custom map just to practice his stalker micro.
in said map you can upgrade and then put them against hydras, practice the micro till youre sound and then implement into play.

kiwi's blink stalker play is used with the utmost confidence. because with proper micro stalkers never die.

Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
June 11 2011 04:22 GMT
#48
Please, for the love of god, tell me the name of the map! I am making it a point to use Blink Stalkers as often as possible PvP and PvZ.
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Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
June 11 2011 04:38 GMT
#49
Squirtle just did a similar push vs Moonglade but incorporated DT's before pushing. It was a bit dicey but when he killed the Hive it was over. inControL went nuts about it.
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dslyecix
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada37 Posts
June 11 2011 05:17 GMT
#50
On June 11 2011 13:22 Mikelius wrote:
Please, for the love of god, tell me the name of the map! I am making it a point to use Blink Stalkers as often as possible PvP and PvZ.


Found it through search:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132267
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 11 2011 06:44 GMT
#51
On June 11 2011 13:21 ePBuckets wrote:
you gotta remember kiwi made a custom map just to practice his stalker micro.
in said map you can upgrade and then put them against hydras, practice the micro till youre sound and then implement into play.

kiwi's blink stalker play is used with the utmost confidence. because with proper micro stalkers never die.



Stalker micro is really not that difficult to master. It's literally just selecting the units in front and blinking them back lol. Not saying my micro is as good as kiwi's but with stalker micro the skill cap is fairly low.
Chrysalis.145
tuho133
Profile Joined June 2011
120 Posts
June 11 2011 06:49 GMT
#52
On June 11 2011 15:44 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 13:21 ePBuckets wrote:
you gotta remember kiwi made a custom map just to practice his stalker micro.
in said map you can upgrade and then put them against hydras, practice the micro till youre sound and then implement into play.

kiwi's blink stalker play is used with the utmost confidence. because with proper micro stalkers never die.



Stalker micro is really not that difficult to master. It's literally just selecting the units in front and blinking them back lol. Not saying my micro is as good as kiwi's but with stalker micro the skill cap is fairly low.

Still much harder than control MMM or hydras/roaches right ?
Anyway hardest part about blink stalkers is big wide open areas, where you need to blink lots of stalkers at the same time, and micro them in better position. And micro mean it's not easy to macro at the same time at all since Protoss mechanic is different.
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 11 2011 07:01 GMT
#53
On June 11 2011 15:49 tuho133 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 15:44 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
On June 11 2011 13:21 ePBuckets wrote:
you gotta remember kiwi made a custom map just to practice his stalker micro.
in said map you can upgrade and then put them against hydras, practice the micro till youre sound and then implement into play.

kiwi's blink stalker play is used with the utmost confidence. because with proper micro stalkers never die.



Stalker micro is really not that difficult to master. It's literally just selecting the units in front and blinking them back lol. Not saying my micro is as good as kiwi's but with stalker micro the skill cap is fairly low.

Still much harder than control MMM or hydras/roaches right ?
Anyway hardest part about blink stalkers is big wide open areas, where you need to blink lots of stalkers at the same time, and micro them in better position. And micro mean it's not easy to macro at the same time at all since Protoss mechanic is different.


Splitting marines vs banelings for example is much more difficult than blink micro. The thing with blink + forcefields is that positioning is much less important. As for macro, you will have a proxy pylon, take 1 second to warp in 7 stalkers then go back to boxing and blinking stalkers lol. I play protoss btw
Chrysalis.145
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 10:58:38
June 11 2011 10:57 GMT
#54
vVvTime and I did a video cast/analysis of this build a couple days go. Uploaded it to Youtube yesterday:



You'll also find on the channel a cast of 3 games between Minigun and Idra where Minigun uses a close variant of this build in the first 2 games.

kl3zero
Profile Joined April 2011
United States27 Posts
June 12 2011 03:06 GMT
#55
On June 11 2011 19:57 Karak wrote:
vVvTime and I did a video cast/analysis of this build a couple days go. Uploaded it to Youtube yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWRD5MGd_kk

You'll also find on the channel a cast of 3 games between Minigun and Idra where Minigun uses a close variant of this build in the first 2 games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEck2xiMwfU



thank you for those it really helps seeing the build in action
archangel2
Profile Joined March 2011
76 Posts
June 12 2011 03:40 GMT
#56
On June 11 2011 15:44 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 13:21 ePBuckets wrote:
you gotta remember kiwi made a custom map just to practice his stalker micro.
in said map you can upgrade and then put them against hydras, practice the micro till youre sound and then implement into play.

kiwi's blink stalker play is used with the utmost confidence. because with proper micro stalkers never die.



Stalker micro is really not that difficult to master. It's literally just selecting the units in front and blinking them back lol. Not saying my micro is as good as kiwi's but with stalker micro the skill cap is fairly low.


I disagree. There is a huge skill cap to blink stalker micro, with the highest being microing individual stalkers in a big group, which is ridiculously hard. Of course you can get by with doing some group stalker micro, but there's always room to improve.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 12 2011 03:44 GMT
#57
My NASL video is not working right now, so I do not understand. Are you supposed to get a Robotics Facility for Observers or not? I am assuming you still get Hallucinations correct?
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skp
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada134 Posts
June 12 2011 08:39 GMT
#58
On June 12 2011 12:44 iTzAnglory wrote:
My NASL video is not working right now, so I do not understand. Are you supposed to get a Robotics Facility for Observers or not? I am assuming you still get Hallucinations correct?


Yes a Robo will be needed for an obs to fight burrowed roaches. As for hallucinations, I've done this strategy a few times on ladder w/o going hallucination and I've had a lot of success. But since Hallucination is 100/100 and doesnt require much time to research, I think researching it won't set you back too much. I'm not quite sure though because this build is more gas intensive than the normal +1 attack 6 gate timing.
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
June 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#59
On June 12 2011 17:39 skp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 12:44 iTzAnglory wrote:
My NASL video is not working right now, so I do not understand. Are you supposed to get a Robotics Facility for Observers or not? I am assuming you still get Hallucinations correct?


Yes a Robo will be needed for an obs to fight burrowed roaches. As for hallucinations, I've done this strategy a few times on ladder w/o going hallucination and I've had a lot of success. But since Hallucination is 100/100 and doesnt require much time to research, I think researching it won't set you back too much. I'm not quite sure though because this build is more gas intensive than the normal +1 attack 6 gate timing.


I advise against it, you're pretty much committing to this attack so scouting past the initial probe and early pressure is not paramount, and you need all the gas for the stalkers, blink, attack upgrades and sentries in the beginning. And since the timing is just around the 10 minute mark you will hit him before he can get a critical mass of mutas/hydras/infesters. So the only real concern is burrowed roaches.
Less QQ, more PewPew
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
June 12 2011 21:26 GMT
#60
On June 11 2011 13:38 Mikelius wrote:
Squirtle just did a similar push vs Moonglade but incorporated DT's before pushing. It was a bit dicey but when he killed the Hive it was over. inControL went nuts about it.


Keep in mind moonglade gg'd with like 4k minerals. he throws down 1-2 more macro hatches w/ queens and remaxes with 50 roaches when squirtle pushes in for the kill he wins ezpz.
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