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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
>I will add pictures and stuff later today, I know how much you guys love pictures. I'm waiting Haha no pictures, sorry. No flash in this guide. Just HuKking face. Be glad I at least attached a replay! Hell everything you need for this build is in Huk's vods :D | ||
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Cryptics
42 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:56 -orb- wrote: Thanks for compiling this with all the information you put in. Definitely going to try this out next time I log on  I feel like an actual solid build order is what I've been missing in PvT for so long My thoughts exactly :D I hope I can meet you this time at the LAN this weekend. Was knocked out by Sadistx in the bracket T_T | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On May 24 2011 03:55 Alejandrisha wrote: + Show Spoiler + >I will add pictures and stuff later today, I know how much you guys love pictures. I'm waiting Haha no pictures, sorry. No flash in this guide. Just HuKking face. Be glad I at least attached a replay! Hell everything you need for this build is in Huk's vods :D Can you give a link of a VOD of his with this specific build? He plays all 3 races and from what I've had the chance to check out he often goes very seemingly arbitrary builds in PvT (1 Stalker expand, Expand after CC without cutting probes etc) | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:14 KingofGods wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-209550.jpg) Here is my own variation of it after reading this thread in its entirety. Only had a chance to do this against ai so far. Thanks! i will see what build I like better! | ||
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BigHeadYoony
United States92 Posts
On May 22 2011 20:52 Liquid`HuK wrote: im honored Aww that's so nice haha I'm a huge fan! I love your streams. I like your background pictures too lol. I hope you the best in Korea! | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
thanks for the guide after watching huk vs mma i thought it looked pretty good and had wanted to try it out for awhile i transitioned into ht charglot after kiting a ton of marines with the first couple stalkers. mind u i made alot of mistakes and didnt macro to well because i was under constant pressure and didnt realize how fast your minerals explode with this build lol. | ||
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Snaiil
Sweden312 Posts
Awesome guide, thanks! | ||
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RealRook
Czech Republic54 Posts
before that change your 2extra gates finished just as chronoed WG was done, i feel like you will have at least 10 sec downtime now and you will need to use an extra chronoboost how many chronoboosts are you supposed to use on WG in total? edit: here is something you could include in the OP, When you place down the nexus you will have 19 probes minining (and maybe 1 scouting) which means full saturation (16 probes) on minerals and 3 on gas. When you place your 2 gates and start 1st stalker and resume probes production, its better to set rally points of both nexuses to the newly build one and NOT transfer any probes so you keep ideal saturation in both bases, at least thats what huk does | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
Thanks so much! (maybe the new economic-standard in this mu?) | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
ok i tired it out and had great results! http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/2571 thanks for the guide after watching huk vs mma i thought it looked pretty good and had wanted to try it out for awhile i transitioned into ht charglot after kiting a ton of marines with the first couple stalkers. mind u i made alot of mistakes and didnt macro to well because i was under constant pressure and didnt realize how fast your minerals explode with this build lol Whenever you kite non-stim marines, tanks or banshees across the map with stalkers without taking hull damage, you must yell "HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK" inside your head. See HuK's first GSL set if you don't know what I'm talking about or what it should sound like. I agree with you in that charge is a very solid next-step to this opener because it is helpful to get a whole bunch of zealots rather than dumping a lot of gas into sentries when you stay on a single gas for quite some time. Double forge is a very nice transition, I've found :D Is this build still viable with the newest patch? (+20 sec on warpgate) before that change your 2extra gates finished just as chronoed WG was done, i feel like you will have at least 10 sec downtime now and you will need to use an extra chronoboost how many chronoboosts are you supposed to use on WG in total? edit: here is something you could include in the OP, When you place down the nexus you will have 19 probes minining (and maybe 1 scouting) which means full saturation (16 probes) on minerals and 3 on gas. When you place your 2 gates and start 1st stalker and resume probes production, its better to set rally points of both nexuses to the newly build one and NOT transfer any probes so you keep ideal saturation in both bases, at least thats what huk does Last edit: 2011-05-24 22:16:44 Yes, it is still viable, though you have a smaller window for aggression and a larger window to be reaper harassed. In terms of chronoboosting, only use 2 on your nexus initially and dump the rest on WG. Don't cb the first stalker. The patch pretty much made it so the terran has another 20 seconds or so to get up his bunker if he expanded w/o gas or, if they got gas for 2rax expand, another maurador. This slight tweak to warpgate also made it more dangerous to warp in aggressively because their helions will be out slightly quicker relative to your warp in if that is how they opened.. just something to think about. I've been playing around with this for a while today and woah, for someone who is used to Tylers 3gate robo expand, the economy you get with this build is insane! I'm going to be using this build on long rush distances and 3gate robo expand on closer distances. Awesome guide, thanks! Ah, another convert! I also used tylers 1gate robo into 3gate robo nexus in the majority of my games (after I used to 1gate expand blindly at 31 food all the time and feeling kind of unsafe at times) until I started mixing this in. Playing safe is one thing, but if you use greedy builds when you have room to be greedy it is really much "safer" than going 6min nexus vs a gasless expand or a 16cc! | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
The Banshee/Tank timing is still giving me hell though, need to figure out a way to sniff that out without going fast Robo (I like double ups  ) | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
Thanks for the great write up. | ||
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MeLo
Australia192 Posts
I was losing a lot doing this earlier despite holding offf the first push, but learnt that it was because I got my 3rd Nexus up too early, so now I just mass up units and tech up until the suggested 100 food and get a Nexus. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On May 25 2011 02:17 mordek wrote: This is what the strategy forum is all about. Thanks for all your contributions Alej! I must agree. 2/2 with this build and the 3gate sentry expand pressure/contain build. I've outright killed a couple terran players who went gasless expand into tech and underreact to the pressure because they see a nexus. When I'm scouted, if I don't see the scv I patrol a probe near the natural to look for bunkers. If it goes up the game will be rough (you should lose). | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 25 2011 02:41 JonnyLaw wrote: I must agree. 2/2 with this build and the 3gate sentry expand pressure/contain build. I've outright killed a couple terran players who went gasless expand into tech and underreact to the pressure because they see a nexus. When I'm scouted, if I don't see the scv I patrol a probe near the natural to look for bunkers. If it goes up the game will be rough (you should lose). You'd be surprised how easily you can take down bunkers cost effectively as long as they dont see you early enough to go reactor-tech lab 12/16. Check the replay at the bottom of the OP. He gets not one but two bunkers up which are cleaned by 4 stalkers and probes. It's pretty counterintuitive but hey if it kills terrans it kills terrans xD Thanks for you feedback! | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
If they open gasless anything though this is really effective, though I'm not sure if I prefer to do this build or a 2 gate chrono'd stalker pressure yet. Definitely a good build to know how to do though, even if it is very situational. | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On May 25 2011 02:51 Shifft wrote: I feel really unsafe doing this if the Terran has any kind of gas, to the point where I just won't do it at all if I haven't scouted them yet. If they open gasless anything though this is really effective, though I'm not sure if I prefer to do this build or a 2 gate chrono'd stalker pressure yet. Definitely a good build to know how to do though, even if it is very situational. Marauders aren't a problem. Tech is also not a problem as stated in the OP (throw a robo + forge). | ||
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