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whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 11:41:26
August 09 2011 11:39 GMT
#461
On August 09 2011 04:28 Kammalleri wrote:
What to do vs Marine Tank Banshee push? Is there a way to break the front or something cause as soon as they move out you're dead..


When you see him coming, you have to push with your army asap so you can catch him in the middle, so you can buy some time for producing more army at home(microing your army vs his in the middle and pulling slowly home).

Great presentation that might help you:
one day.. i'll lose my mind
SaJa
Profile Joined November 2010
France84 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 00:02:22
August 10 2011 00:02 GMT
#462
See Nani vs Thorzain game 2 blizz eu inv


Any link ?
thisisSSK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States179 Posts
August 11 2011 17:41 GMT
#463
On August 09 2011 20:39 whereismymind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 04:28 Kammalleri wrote:
What to do vs Marine Tank Banshee push? Is there a way to break the front or something cause as soon as they move out you're dead..


When you see him coming, you have to push with your army asap so you can catch him in the middle, so you can buy some time for producing more army at home(microing your army vs his in the middle and pulling slowly home).

Great presentation that might help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cezSKpjEC4


You're username is apt... why are you giving combatex attention. I'm certain there are better vids out there to link
xmikeyy17x
Profile Joined April 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 19:17:21
August 11 2011 19:14 GMT
#464
^^ he may not be the best guy to look up too but that video was legit and pretty much answered the question.

also.

Not sure if anyone else asked this. is this safe in a pvp? since you get warpgate tech the same time, i don't see why it wouldn't be...
Huntz
Profile Joined July 2011
164 Posts
August 11 2011 19:27 GMT
#465
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 19:30:34
August 11 2011 19:30 GMT
#466
On August 12 2011 04:27 Huntz wrote:
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).

Yes actually you can, I have a friend writing a cool article about it too

Just want to keep people from seeing inaccurate information around these threads.
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
August 11 2011 19:30 GMT
#467
So this works against 1-gas expands, fails against 12-16 2 rax and how does it fare against 3rax?
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 11 2011 19:34 GMT
#468
On August 12 2011 04:30 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 04:27 Huntz wrote:
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).

Yes actually you can, I have a friend writing a cool article about it too

Just want to keep people from seeing inaccurate information around these threads.


I bet it's extremely easy to counter
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
August 11 2011 19:39 GMT
#469
On August 12 2011 04:34 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 04:30 CecilSunkure wrote:
On August 12 2011 04:27 Huntz wrote:
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).

Yes actually you can, I have a friend writing a cool article about it too

Just want to keep people from seeing inaccurate information around these threads.


I bet it's extremely easy to counter

Maybe! We'll see, either way it's a really cool build to know and be able to use.
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
August 12 2011 08:52 GMT
#470
On August 12 2011 04:30 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 04:27 Huntz wrote:
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).

Yes actually you can, I have a friend writing a cool article about it too

Just want to keep people from seeing inaccurate information around these threads.

My favorite fe PvP build is make it look like a 4 gate (save cb, use cbs, and extra cb on 2nd stalker) then when probe is out of your main throw down forge, shark around with your standard 2 stalker 1 zealot, get nexus and 3 cannons. From here you can go to 4 gate asap or get twlight and charge then mass gateways, with any luck you can delay scouting for a few minutes even as they wonder when the 4 gate is going to hit. BE FORWARNED don't do it on a map where the cannons are close enough to your ramp they can just blink onto it, then blink into your main.................
You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
August 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#471
So is it just me or does this build seem to almost auto win vs any gasless expo? So far the only thing to hold was 3 bunkers, and even then I did a lot of damage and managed to break him later on. http://www.mediafire.com/?uwco5rlwvjy1r76

There's 6 or 7 replays of me just playing around with this with a practice partner of mine and it seemed a little odd how easily I was able to punish him. I vary between my style (5 stalker poke into 5 z 5 s 1 sentry push) and changing up some timings, but overall it seems that if they gasless expo, even as get a nexus down early, they have to put up at least 3 bunkers to defend, and even then I can kill 5+ scvs and be very cost effective... Is it really this much of a hard counter? (amazing considering I can do this post scouting)

Pity gasless expo is so much less popular than it used to be... qq

You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
August 15 2011 14:09 GMT
#472
On August 15 2011 19:10 Lobber wrote:
So is it just me or does this build seem to almost auto win vs any gasless expo? So far the only thing to hold was 3 bunkers, and even then I did a lot of damage and managed to break him later on. http://www.mediafire.com/?uwco5rlwvjy1r76

There's 6 or 7 replays of me just playing around with this with a practice partner of mine and it seemed a little odd how easily I was able to punish him. I vary between my style (5 stalker poke into 5 z 5 s 1 sentry push) and changing up some timings, but overall it seems that if they gasless expo, even as get a nexus down early, they have to put up at least 3 bunkers to defend, and even then I can kill 5+ scvs and be very cost effective... Is it really this much of a hard counter? (amazing considering I can do this post scouting)

Pity gasless expo is so much less popular than it used to be... qq



Gasless FE needs good Bunkerplacement and excellent execution against any opening that involves early Gateway pressure. Thats the toll you have to pay for the strong econ you get.
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
August 15 2011 14:21 GMT
#473
On August 12 2011 02:41 thisisSSK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 20:39 whereismymind wrote:
On August 09 2011 04:28 Kammalleri wrote:
What to do vs Marine Tank Banshee push? Is there a way to break the front or something cause as soon as they move out you're dead..


When you see him coming, you have to push with your army asap so you can catch him in the middle, so you can buy some time for producing more army at home(microing your army vs his in the middle and pulling slowly home).

Great presentation that might help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cezSKpjEC4


You're username is apt... why are you giving combatex attention. I'm certain there are better vids out there to link


this is a good explanation about how to play 1base PvT see the video and then talk.
if play random i can't call any race imba?
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 11:01:06
September 04 2011 10:58 GMT
#474
Love this build, it has become a standard opener for me in PvT and the only time i've straight up lost because of the opening is a clean executed 2-rax(Nerazim Crypts cross) with 5 SCV's which is a bummer to hold.

Feels like the only thing i can do is scout well and instead to a 3-gate expand.
Top diamond terran streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/saitontv
CaptainHaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States240 Posts
September 04 2011 15:35 GMT
#475
I have a build order outlined for what huk uses on his stream:
2 Chronoboosts on nexus

9 Pylon
12 gate
14 gas
15 pylon
17 core
mine gas normally, start warpgate BEFORE nexus (huk uses 2 chrono on core, use 3)
20 nexus+1 probe, so total supply is 21 AFTER dropping nexus
21(brings to 23 supply total) stalker
23 drop additional gates after stalker, make a probe so total is up to 24 supply after gates are put down
24(brings to 26 supply) second stalker
26 proxy pylon
When warpgate research finishes, convert gates into warpgates, and chronoboost all 3 gates after 3 stalkers are warped in.
Take gases etc afterward and proceed with normal game.

On huk's stream his 3rd chrono never gets used, so he hits maxed energy as his gates finish, whereas if you use it on warpgate, you should hit 75% just as your gateways finish, or just after your first warp in, either way, you can devote that 3rd chrono to either warpgate research or possibly probes/stalker.
All of us warned you of the big white face.
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-10 16:26:50
September 10 2011 16:08 GMT
#476
Replayfu seems to be down. Has anyone uploaded the replays elsewhere, or could someone please do that?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
harhar!
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany190 Posts
September 10 2011 18:10 GMT
#477
On August 12 2011 02:41 thisisSSK wrote:
You're username is apt... why are you giving combatex attention. I'm certain there are better vids out there to link


dont be stupid, combats videos are very helpful.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-10 18:42:56
September 10 2011 18:41 GMT
#478
On August 12 2011 04:34 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 04:30 CecilSunkure wrote:
On August 12 2011 04:27 Huntz wrote:
No its not, you cannot FE in PvP. You can however, at this point expand in the post 4gate period (although not immediately).

Yes actually you can, I have a friend writing a cool article about it too

Just want to keep people from seeing inaccurate information around these threads.


I bet it's extremely easy to counter


I think if you see a second gas or lots of spent CB you just fake a 4-gate, deny scouting and make your opponent player defensive and then put down your 3 gates after nexus.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
September 10 2011 19:43 GMT
#479
I have done this build PvP but make it a hidden expo, it works pretty good assuming non-4gate... But not the best idea really :D
You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
September 12 2011 23:31 GMT
#480
On August 15 2011 19:10 Lobber wrote:
So is it just me or does this build seem to almost auto win vs any gasless expo? So far the only thing to hold was 3 bunkers, and even then I did a lot of damage and managed to break him later on. http://www.mediafire.com/?uwco5rlwvjy1r76

There's 6 or 7 replays of me just playing around with this with a practice partner of mine and it seemed a little odd how easily I was able to punish him. I vary between my style (5 stalker poke into 5 z 5 s 1 sentry push) and changing up some timings, but overall it seems that if they gasless expo, even as get a nexus down early, they have to put up at least 3 bunkers to defend, and even then I can kill 5+ scvs and be very cost effective... Is it really this much of a hard counter? (amazing considering I can do this post scouting)

Pity gasless expo is so much less popular than it used to be... qq



It's extremely good against gasless fe on maps such as xel naga, typhon, tal'darim. The nats are very wide open. The problem is you essentially need to scout them 1st on 4 player maps depending on your scout timing. I've pretty much phased this build out against everything but gasless fe on those maps. It seems like it would be good on shakuras and antigua, but since they can bunker at the top of the ramp, this strat is not as effective. I've switched to the new 2 gas 1gate fe that he does and am loving it.
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