[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 12

On May 17 2011 03:12 Poopi wrote:
IdrA knows how to react against cheese you know?

On May 17 2011 03:09 MasterFischer wrote:


And this is because GOOD players always shine through. What is the problem, again?

Cheese can be a hard thing to deal with, but if you're dedicated to it, you can beat it. Easily.

The only reason players like Idra, sometimes loose to cheese, is probably because he refuses to acknowledge cheese a part of the game, and thus refuses to practice against cheese.. because he is a solid macro mid-late game player...

If Idra wants to become the top player in the world, he better be prepared and practiced alot of cheese, ALONG with all his normal macro builds and what not. Simply because the chance of somebody cheesing you WILL occur.. time and time again

On May 17 2011 03:23 Plansix wrote:


I don't think anyone is complaining about cheese. Everyone needs to deal with a good 6 pool or cannon rush. The main issue with this build is that it is almost impossible to scout. I play protoss and I need to be on the ball to deal with this build. Meanwhile my opponent just needs to attack move up the ramp. The fact that he made it all the way to Masters off of 70 games is kinda of mind blowing.

Cheese needs to be in the game, its what makes it exciting from begining to end. But players shouldn't be rewarded for playing badly. Getting to Masters League is being rewarded well beyond the players skill level.

On May 17 2011 03:26 LDPDC wrote:
Hey, my 2c:

1) This build has been known for some time now:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2211722493?page=1

2) How to counter it?
Well there is a supply. He is lying at the bottom of the ramp. Offered. He is absolutely KEY to this build which is based on the OC call for supply.
If I had to counter this build I would try to detroy it. It would give at least scouting on the build.

3) Stop raging about so called "cheeses". They are taking place at the beginning of the game and as such they are the easiest to train against.

On May 17 2011 03:26 LDPDC wrote:
Hey, my 2c:

1) This build has been known for some time now:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2211722493?page=1

2) How to counter it?
Well there is a supply. He is lying at the bottom of the ramp. Offered. He is absolutely KEY to this build which is based on the OC call for supply.
If I had to counter this build I would try to detroy it. It would give at least scouting on the build.

3) Stop raging about so called "cheeses". They are taking place at the beginning of the game and as such they are the easiest to train against.

On May 17 2011 03:09 MasterFischer wrote:

And this is because GOOD players always shine through. What is the problem, again?

Cheese can be a hard thing to deal with, but if you're dedicated to it, you can beat it. Easily.

The only reason players like Idra, sometimes loose to cheese, is probably because he refuses to acknowledge cheese a part of the game, and thus refuses to practice against cheese.. because he is a solid macro mid-late game player...

If Idra wants to become the top player in the world, he better be prepared and practiced alot of cheese, ALONG with all his normal macro builds and what not. Simply because the chance of somebody cheesing you WILL occur.. time and time again

On May 17 2011 03:30 Plansix wrote:


What is this "supply" you speak of and you would "detroy"? Why is this KEY at that bottom of my ramp?

On May 17 2011 03:27 Geiko wrote:


In fact I started Mid masters and worked my way to top master/ Grand master. I know I asked for it but I still deserve a little credit for being an average master protoss player ^^

On May 17 2011 03:33 LDPDC wrote:



This one:
"10 depot at the bottom of the ramp (Rally your 9th worker to the bottom of the ramp)"

It is key because the build sacrifices an OC "supply call" to get marines faster by not making an additionnal depot.
Sorry for the missing "s" in destroy, I hope you understood.

On May 17 2011 02:34 Geiko wrote:


I've been wondering, what were the people on Mondragon's stream saying in the chat room when he played against me ?

On May 17 2011 03:22 Aven wrote:
I'd like to point out that your loss against the zerg RGIcytoplasm was not the correct response to your build he simply made 2 banelings and you let 1 of them connect even though you could have easily focused them down

He did made the right choice of spending his first gas on a baneling nest
But he should not have spent his next 100 gas on metabolic boost which left him only to create 2 banelings while he could have had 6 if he skipped his ling speed, which should do the trick to stopping this push.

This might be worthy of mentioning in the OP

On May 17 2011 00:18 BurgerAce wrote:
The meticulousness of your post and build demonstrate that you are not unintelligent, and that you have thought your actions through.

To you, perfecting an all-in and taking it to the top of the ladder is an intellectual exercise. Although you understand it frustrates other humans, you surely rationalize that "cheese is a part of the game." Likewise, you can justify taking ladder points and practice time from the pros, even if you could never beat them in a fair game.

(Most people would call this "being a douchebag," and it is firmly your right to do so. I'm not writing to contest this.)

If you've ever been cut off by a bad driver in city traffic, he probably rationalized his actions the same way. "Aggressive maneuvering is a part of driving. It gets me from point-A to point-B faster. In the grand scheme of things, I didn't really hurt anybody. My ability think about other cars as obstacles, abstract from their human occupants, allows me to view driving as an intellectual, rather than an emotional, activity. It allows me to be a smarter, more efficient driver."

Some people are genetically wired not to feel empathy with strangers, and I accept this.

What I cannot tolerate is the way you shamelessly brag about it in public. It's almost as though you don't see the connection between who you are on the ladder -- an individual who lacks empathy and respect for your peers (and, dare I say, your superiors) -- and who you are as a person.

If I were to predict insincere and abusive relationships in your future, you and many readers would discount it as the incoherent ramblings of an angry stranger. But, honestly, there is a connection. Whether you understand it or not.

On May 17 2011 03:44 Hetz wrote:
So Terran just needs to build a bunker, toss needs but 1 forcefield. Zerg ofc needs to have perfect scouting, perfect timing and perfect unit composition just to have a chance. As I understand one needs to get fast gas and spend it on a baneling nest. Then you have 2 banelings out in time. As with most things zerg does, this leave no room for error. Ofc no zerg will have his baneling nest up in time. So how does a zerg counter this?

On May 17 2011 03:21 teekesselchen wrote:
Haha this is funny stuff :D

Actually he's not the only one beeing successful like that. Have a look at ActionJesuz who is rank 1 Masters with only six-pool. Now ActionJesuz certainly has better overall skill and better mechanics, but it's comparable to a certain degree.

On May 17 2011 03:44 Hetz wrote:
So Terran just needs to build a bunker, toss needs but 1 forcefield. Zerg ofc needs to have perfect scouting, perfect timing and perfect unit composition just to have a chance. As I understand one needs to get fast gas and spend it on a baneling nest. Then you have 2 banelings out in time. As with most things zerg does, this leave no room for error. Ofc no zerg will have his baneling nest up in time. So how does a zerg counter this?