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this is the 3rd time i've played this guy. i even knew this was coming. yes of course i could get a forge and some cannons but let's be honest, if u have to blindly forge and put cannons on top of ur ramp there is something wrong with the matchup. I have never cried imbalance in pvz before because I never thought the matchup was imbalanced, but.. what the hell, come on.
could a player better than myself (3200 master) please tell me what im supposed to do? hell, could any player please tell me what to do to stop this?
http://www.2shared.com/file/FXZMev4q/how_do_i_beat_this_pvz.html
UPDATE:
someone wanted to know how to beat it
well, the best way to beat this by far (that i've found, im sure there's other ways but i really think this is the best way to maintain a huge advantage) is to
1.) scout the timing. scout for roach warren just after pool, keep probe scouting zerg base just until lings are coming out
2.) make a 2nd gateway to complete ur wall. ur wall should be 2gateways and a cyber
3.) make a sentry after zealot like normal, but then start chronoboosting stalkers out while getting warpgate tech
4.) use ur forcefield to delay while u get some more stalkers out
thanks for everyone's advice!
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Unfortunately when I try to use your link it keeps telling me my computer isn't compatible with their content.
Could you upload it on another site?
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This is the last person i expected to see write this sort of thread.. checking rep now though but I'm not better than you so take my advice with a grain of salt.
EDIT: Holy shit what the fuck.. thats.... WOW.
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On February 02 2011 13:11 TheButtonmen wrote:
Unfortunately when I try to use your link it keeps telling me my computer isn't compatible with their content.
Could you upload it on another site?
http://www.mediafire.com/?nw2hgf4zjwwjcjh
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I'm so gonna try this on ladder ^^
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That was pretty damn cool.
For anyone who cant download the replay, its basically speedlings with 3 roaches to pressure the wall. And there are alot of lings.
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This seems like a roach rush with mass lings behind it. I know no one says this or does this, and I'm just a 2700 diamond, but if you go gateway, robo, gateway and chrono out your first immortal, it pops out just as the roaches are hitting your front, the hard part is the zerglings, but perhaps sentry control is the answer, but you can have an immortal out on time. Try testing that out, not guarenteeing it'll work, but try it.
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sweet strategy! i´m definetely doing this when i go ZvP next time (random) wouldn´t 2gate opening be pretty good just to delay the attack? can he get roaches out in time that is.. ?
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On February 02 2011 13:21 confusedcrib wrote:
This seems like a roach rush with mass lings behind it. I know no one says this or does this, and I'm just a 2700 diamond, but if you go gateway, robo, gateway and chrono out your first immortal, it pops out just as the roaches are hitting your front, the hard part is the zerglings, but perhaps sentry control is the answer, but you can have an immortal out on time. Try testing that out
dude, ur so wrong, there is no way in hell the immortal would be out even close to in time
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I'm waiting to see exactly how many 3200+ Master Leaguers give a solution on this thread. :D
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Yeah, assuming you do scout it... either cannons or open void + complete wall off, I know the difficulty with opening void against zerg because then they go hydra and can really fuck you in a second attack with roach hydra, but unfortunately those are the only options I see.
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3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in
He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave
zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry
Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build
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ur not very high rated are u? t.t
it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it.
let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay
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On February 02 2011 13:23 baoluvboa wrote:
3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in
He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave
zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry
Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build
yeah that's what i think... cancel second sentry build a stalker... but im gonna be honest, i don't think that will possibly stop it too. might stop it if i like just keep adding to my wall over and over but it's gonna be the most ridic hard hold ever
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On February 02 2011 13:23 travis wrote:ur not very high rated are u? t.t it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it. let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay
I was going to stay you shoulda chronoed gateway but it still wouldnt have worked since they'd have busted before anything else..
This hits LONG before a 5RR does Travis is right guys look at the timing -.-
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The best idea I have without changing your build (which is pretty standard) would be to forcefield the ramp to lock some units in and then pull probes to kill them until your warp gate is done. You're 10 workers ahead when this attack comes so you can afford to lose some workers.
Another option is to scout his lack of expansion and throw down a forge, you can scout at the normal expo time for a speed first build and have almost enough time to get cannons up, he shouldn't be able to deny your scout since his speed isn't finished yet. The cannons would barely finish with 1 forcefield worth of delay. You can probably hold it with 2 cannons doing this since you'll have a second forcefield to cut his army in half.
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On February 02 2011 13:23 travis wrote:ur not very high rated are u? t.t it's about the timing. notice i make 2 sentries asap, i've used my gateway constantly, and i still can't hold it. let's be honest, had i chronoboosted units out of the gateway i still wouldn't be able to stop it. that should be clear from the replay
My apology, didn't look at the timing clearly.
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On February 02 2011 13:24 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 13:23 baoluvboa wrote:
3200 master here too
Try stalkers and add a pylon block entrance instead of zealot while harassing the roaches from attacking ur pylon until ur 3 gates are up to add more units in
He only has 3 roaches so he wont break that pylon too fast until u get out an additional 3 stalkers then use probes as well to stop the incoming lings wave
zealot sentry stalker instead of zealot sentry sentry
Not sure if this will stop, never seen this build yeah that's what i think... cancel second sentry build a stalker... but im gonna be honest, i don't think that will possibly stop it too. might stop it if i like just keep adding to my wall over and over but it's gonna be the most ridic hard hold ever
yea its only the timing that is deadly, once u stop the initial break with pylon block, won't be too bad when u get out 3 additional units + probes
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