EPTPvZ InControl Coaching Session - Page 2
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byce
United States98 Posts
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:03 riboflavin wrote: I am watching now to see what I can learn. Thanks for sharing! Also, I hope that you got the 'okay' from InControl before posting this. Please don't take my comments too harshly or create a whole sub debate on what I am about to say(I am not trying to thread crap or anything), but he might view his coaching and the tips he shared with you his IP. Rebroadcasting that without his permission is, at minimum, BM. He seems a cool enough guy and all, so I'm sure it wouldn't even be a a big deal to him. But that is all the more reason to check with him first if you hadn't already! Yes I definitely cleared it from him before posting, and he is totally ok with posting these. Even if people watch it there is no substitute for the individual advice he would give you in a one on one coaching session. | ||
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smoorn
Poland66 Posts
does it work for u guys? | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:39 aquanda wrote: Khaladas: Sorry about my accidental leave during that first game, my nephew was being super obnoxious and I accidentally hit Surrender instead of Pause =( I'm watching now just to see his commentary as I got stomped, should be interesting! No worries, thanks a ton for participating. I might hit you up for some rematches/discussion if you are up for it. Nice coaching session, seems ubber useful xD edit: Did u lose a pvz after that? Won 2 lost 2 in my next 4 zerg matches. Not bad considering my win rate was like 35% before and it's a somewhat new build order for me. I need more practice more with what he preached during my session. In one of my losses for example the zerg started with 10 pool and I went ahead and walled off for safety but he just teched up to roaches and hit me at around 6-7 mins with a like 10ish roaches and some lings just as I was trying to expand. I almost held it but I didn't have any stalkers ( as per the sentry/zealot expand ) and my cannon wasn't up yet. With some better scouting I could have just gone as normal and walled off at the last second if he committed to the zergling push in the beginning. Also could have seen he stayed on one base and was building roaches and prepared some stalkers to mix in with the sentries. Just like any build you are planning to do you have to react to what they are doing, but it's important to also know what you don't have to react to. All of this takes practice. | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
http://www.livestream.com/khaladas/video?clipId=pla_4525edcb-f69a-47d5-8737-5ff6aab532d8 Try this link instead: http://www.livestream.com/khaladas/video?clipId=pla_4525edcb-f69a-47d5-8737-5ff6aab532d8 My livestream is: www.livestream.com/khaladas From there you can navigate to the VODs, it's clearly labeled. I wish I could figure out a way to download the VOD and post it, if anyone does this, please send/post a link. Also, stop by some time if you see me streaming.  | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
I've seen a few of these recorded lessons and I have to say, if I ever desired a coach, iNcontroL would be the first guy I'd go to. | ||
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Cryogenic
Canada75 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On January 07 2011 01:55 Skyro wrote: Thx for sharing. InControl seemed like a natural coaching. Would've been great to see how he handled mutaling. I know he mentioned to stop colossi production and get more stalkers with blink but that is pretty vague and AFAIK the common "counter" to mutaling is to actually hit him with a 6-gate army ~9 mins and not go blink stalkers. This only "counters" mutaling if you manage to scout it before making a robo. If you've committed to something other than a 6 gate +1 timing push by the time you see mutas, then you've missed the timing window and have to get blink. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On January 07 2011 02:01 iamke55 wrote: This only "counters" mutaling if you manage to scout it before making a robo. If you've committed to something other than a 6 gate +1 timing push by the time you see mutas, then you've missed the timing window and have to get blink. I wasn't asking for advice how to deal with mutaling I deal with it fine. I was commenting on what InControl said in the VOD because he made it seem like he went blink stalkers with a more defensive playstyle which I do not think is optimal since playing defensive vs mutaling for a prolonged period of time seems like suicide. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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coolent
Netherlands23 Posts
incontrol is sicko micko | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
On January 07 2011 02:25 Skyro wrote: I wasn't asking for advice how to deal with mutaling I deal with it fine. I was commenting on what InControl said in the VOD because he made it seem like he went blink stalkers with a more defensive playstyle which I do not think is optimal since playing defensive vs mutaling for a prolonged period of time seems like suicide. I remember him saying to go more blink stalker heavy and not worry so much about colossi, but I don't remember him saying 'defensive'. I think he also agreed with me that dropping a couple cannons in your min lines is a good idea so you don't get pinned to your base. It probably just depends on how much zerg commits. I"d guess you would need to start throwing some phoenix into the mix if they really go whole hog for mutas. Blink stalkers with some defensive cannons should allow you to continue to move around and be aggressive I would think. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43725 Posts
Two words: Shark Mode Definitely helps me as a low diamond league player InControl is the man! <3 Thanks for posting, Khaladas! On a sidenote, the only critique... he kept saying "dearth" when he meant "excess". Dearth means lack, but was using it to point out when there you had too many minerals or gas. I think this proves that his StarCraft play is pretty damn good, and I could only nitpick at his vocabulary lol. | ||
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SouL_sc2
United States90 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:21 Khaladas wrote: I remember him saying to go more blink stalker heavy and not worry so much about colossi, but I don't remember him saying 'defensive'. I think he also agreed with me that dropping a couple cannons in your min lines is a good idea so you don't get pinned to your base. It probably just depends on how much zerg commits. I"d guess you would need to start throwing some phoenix into the mix if they really go whole hog for mutas. Blink stalkers with some defensive cannons should allow you to continue to move around and be aggressive I would think. No he didn't say defensive but he implied it since his playstyle is pretty defensive until he gets his deathball and his comment was something along the lines of "if he goes mutas just change your unit composition a bit" when AFAIK most people handle mutaling but simply crushing it with a timing push since it is nearly impossible to stop IMO once they start to hit that critical mass. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:35 Skyro wrote: No he didn't say defensive but he implied it since his playstyle is pretty defensive until he gets his deathball and his comment was something along the lines of "if he goes mutas just change your unit composition a bit" when AFAIK most people handle mutaling but simply crushing it with a timing push since it is nearly impossible to stop IMO once they start to hit that critical mass. If youre interested, a coaching session with incontrol about muta has actually been posted on tl by mrbitter(it's from a Zerg point of view). It's quite old but his style is still kinda the same. It's the first session, but they're all really interesting imo. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MrBitter | ||
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BackTrack
Canada76 Posts
But what INC was saying made so much more sence to me, i'm goign to start building more sentries off the bat and utalising his shark mode theory, I learned quite a bit from that lesson, i might just hire him myself heh | ||
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Shoe555
China199 Posts
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