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On January 08 2011 01:47 Fubsywubkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 23:00 Icebergue wrote:
I only watched around half of it and found it very insightful. I wished there was a compendium with some sort of this lessons to help new players like me who are Bronze and have little experience in RTS games. I just wanted to say, I think that you should definitely watch the rest of it. I found the second half to be...even more helpful, in some ways. It was really solid. On a side note, how effective is this type of build against Terran and Protoss? I was playing on the ladder last night, and I REALLY liked how this build felt, when playing against Zerg. I felt very safe, and when I entered 'shark mode', I ended up decidedly winning the game right then and there. I decided to try it on Scrap Station as well, against Terran, and it did well, but that is obviously because of the map itself. Is there a variation for PvP and PvT? Or would you just do basically the exact same thing? (possibly moving the cannon for burrowed roaches to the minerals, for banshees?)
I will for sure today and I will be looking forward to the 2 next lessons vs Terran and Protoss if Khaladas restreams it.
Thank you for letting the re-stream, I found it very interesting. You could maybe even make a show with your best lessons, I guess it would be watched a lot!
Indeed, would be awesome.
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Watched the whole 2 hours, I always enjoy his coaching vid's and it was pretty good. I'd love to see some more of InControl's training in PvZ with some higher diamond toss.
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Assuming Incontrol reads this, I just want to say how mindblowing that session was for me....
I am exactly in the same place as this protoss, give or take a few personal foibles and quirks, and everything really resonated with me. I dont have the ability to pay for coaching, but I have always been very dismissive of the idea of such things (i.e thinking things such as "you dont need golf lessons, just teach yourself if you are smart and want/practice hard enough") but the basic points tailored to the individual really changes that.
No reason to post this really, except because I cant believe how much my perceptions have been reversed of gaming-coaching, in both the effectiveness and proffessional aspects.
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Resilve, you should look up some of Mr. Bitter's videos where InControl and Machine coach him on Zerg. Those videos made me want to switch to Zerg for a while but this one makes me want to stick with Protoss and work on some pretty big similar issues. Like not constantly keeping my army moving while faking aggression and getting caught with my army out of position. And my third expansion timing is about a colossus production cycle too slow.
Hoping that a PvT coaching session comes out. My PvT and ZvT matchup is so bad. Even my TvT is horrible.
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Wow, thank you for posting this Khaladas and thank you to Incontrol for allowing your students to share their sessions.
I had the same problem as you in that, I am a really passive player and that gets me killed in PvZ. The whole "shark mode" bit was a huge revelation for me. I had my doubts about coaching but, Incontrol is one amazing teacher.
If it's not too much trouble would you mind posting a replay of the very last game (Incontrol vs.aquanda)? I really want to perfect the 3-gate expand build he does.
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Thanks for sharing this, it's very informative and will definitely help me with my Protoss/PvZ. Shark Mode is awesome.
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This is awesome. I usually always do blink stalkers in PvZ, but this has inspired me to play standard. It's quite fun.
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Nice, posting so I can find this thread later. Thanks for sharing.
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I wish I could see what InControl would advise build-wise for the other matchups because that heavy sentry play early on is God-like for me when playing against Zerg (I hate dying early!). Maybe it would work for the other MUs? Although the collosi war that is PvP dictates getting collosis Asap =/.
PS InControl is just freaking hillarious. Every time I watch SOtG I laugh my ass off because of him. I would take his coaching session (If i was good enough to need pro coaching lol) just for the humor!
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great stuff can u share ur other sessions too?
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I'm only a few minutes in and so far it is quite the button mashing frenzy with you guys and your mechanical keyboards lol. But I always like watching coaching sessions of the guys at gosucoaching so thank you very much for sharing this with everyone!
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On January 08 2011 14:12 Pankaks wrote:
Wow, thank you for posting this Khaladas and thank you to Incontrol for allowing your students to share their sessions.
I had the same problem as you in that, I am a really passive player and that gets me killed in PvZ. The whole "shark mode" bit was a huge revelation for me. I had my doubts about coaching but, Incontrol is one amazing teacher.
If it's not too much trouble would you mind posting a replay of the very last game (Incontrol vs.aquanda)? I really want to perfect the 3-gate expand build he does.
I can upload them on Monday when I am back at home if they aren't posted by then by someone else.
And yes, being a passive P will always get you killed :D Pressuring the Z is so essential to keeping him honest with his army size. If I see P holed up in his base with no attempt to fight for map control I see this as a weakness and exploit it (usually through expansions).
The whole 'shark mode' term is pretty awesome, I totally agree!
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Much appreciated aquanda, thank you ^_^.
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Does this get to 56 seconds then stop streaming for anyone else?
I really want to watch this! >_<
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Quite useful. Thank you Khal and Inc.
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Thanks this is great, I am about the same level as you and had a lot of the same questions as you PvZ
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Don't be the turtle toss, be the SHARK TOSS!
I seriously think InControl's description of "Perceived Agression" and entering into "Shark Mode" eclipses any other description I've heard. It crosses even into Zerg and Terran matchups (Zerg perhaps not so much in ZvT until Mutas). You want your opponent to never feel quite safe. You want his assertion of map control to be met very specifically. You want him to never know when it is a superb time to counter. You're dancing the Protoss Death Ball to do a multitude of tasks for you, the least of which is free scouting and lucky breaks on positioning.
Good share Khaladas, love it! Showed it to all my Platinum friends struggling with map presence and midgame/lategame strategies
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Thanks for posting this! It was very educational, and I've been able to apply a lot of the lesson to my own play. I suspect InControl will have some new students soon.
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Thank you for sharing this with us!
Now that I've seen this session on more standard play it will be easier for me to plan a coaching session were I can focus on my personal flaws in PvZ.
Would probably not have booked one if I had not seen this
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