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eyeEX
Profile Joined June 2010
United States64 Posts
January 15 2011 18:30 GMT
#181
More people should do this! This is SO helpful! Thanks a lot man.
ìX
Garth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States353 Posts
January 15 2011 20:30 GMT
#182
I'm seeing definite results just from watching this video ty so much and thank you for answering my questions earlier. My first two craft cups I lost to two mid diamond zergs in the first round but now today I took out a master league zerg in the first round quite convincingly =D.
Khaladas
Profile Joined May 2010
United States223 Posts
January 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#183
On January 15 2011 14:48 L1F3 wrote:
I had a lesson with InControl yesterday on PvT, and I can't explain how helpful it was. I've played one PvT on ladder since then, and I ROLLED him. Where I had 4 bases on his 2, thanks InControl!


Did you record it? :D
time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a bananna
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
January 15 2011 21:55 GMT
#184
This roach/speedling all-in gives me a lot of trouble when I use this build... just got eliminated from the TeamSpeak TL SC2 Open because of it.

[image loading]

Any idea how to see it coming and react? I actually got very lucky that I didn't go into shark mode when it hit, or I would've lost all my units away from my cannon. I was able to stabilize eventually, but my tech was severely delayed and I couldn't catch up after that.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 22:26:09
January 15 2011 22:25 GMT
#185
On January 16 2011 06:55 iamke55 wrote:
This roach/speedling all-in gives me a lot of trouble when I use this build... just got eliminated from the TeamSpeak TL SC2 Open because of it.

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Any idea how to see it coming and react? I actually got very lucky that I didn't go into shark mode when it hit, or I would've lost all my units away from my cannon. I was able to stabilize eventually, but my tech was severely delayed and I couldn't catch up after that.


The only way to scout it is if you have your inital scouting probe alive on the map. You were caught off position and lost a lot of sentires because of it. Also, you have to zone the roaches out of range of the cannon so they can't hit it.
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ThePinkNinja
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom14 Posts
January 16 2011 12:59 GMT
#186
Thank you so much to both Khaladas and iNControl.

I'm only a newly silver level player but the tips in this video have helped me feel so much more confident in my PvZ which has always been my most dreaded matchup. Since seeing this I've been making much more use of sentries and stopped going so cannon heavy. I've also started getting blink upgrade for stalkers and no longer fear muta so much.

Before seeing this vid I'd never have considered paying for tutorials but now I've seen what actually goes on I think the benefit would be huge.

Anyone know if iNcontrol has an EU account for lessons or is it NA only?

Thanks again to Khaladas and of course the man himself.
xzumiex
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium100 Posts
January 16 2011 13:37 GMT
#187
Hi ThePinkNinja, I asked iNcontrol aswell for the coaching sessions, he only has a NA account.
The one thing u can do is like livestream ur play while he watch ur livestream and gives tips on skype
ThePinkNinja
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom14 Posts
January 16 2011 13:49 GMT
#188
Hiya xzumiex, thanks for that. It's a shame but thought that would be the case.

Hmm don't fancy the livestream route so much, will just have to make do without I guess
rifterstarfish
Profile Joined April 2010
29 Posts
January 16 2011 14:17 GMT
#189
Thanks for sharing this! I am watching right now. I had a coaching session with him and it was great, but it's nice to have a refresher.
Ah! You scared me!
LKCCOMANDER
Profile Joined November 2010
Costa Rica50 Posts
January 16 2011 16:31 GMT
#190
Amazing thanks so much for sharing Khaladas
"The AT Field is the light of my soul"~Kaworu
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
January 16 2011 17:52 GMT
#191
hi, i have been watching TLOpen
and i ear Chill said that 4 colo are the magic number why? is this the safe number to move out?
few days ago i ear that 9 sentries PvZ are the magic number why? is this the safe number to not be overrun?
if play random i can't call any race imba?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 16 2011 17:57 GMT
#192
On January 16 2011 22:49 ThePinkNinja wrote:
Hiya xzumiex, thanks for that. It's a shame but thought that would be the case.

Hmm don't fancy the livestream route so much, will just have to make do without I guess


I coach on EU now.
xzumiex
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium100 Posts
January 16 2011 18:12 GMT
#193
U do? great mate :D what to do when i want a session?
Wanny
Profile Joined January 2011
United States23 Posts
January 16 2011 18:35 GMT
#194
On January 06 2011 14:43 .kv wrote:
yeah PvZ is my worst MU as well...only efficient build I know is the Forge FE into 5 gate timing attack with +1 attacks

other than that, I need to figure out another way to beat Zerg


You can't be serious.......
YEssssa
Garth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States353 Posts
January 16 2011 20:21 GMT
#195
How much do lessons go for?
WhatMACHI
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia11 Posts
January 16 2011 22:11 GMT
#196
On January 17 2011 05:21 Garth wrote:
How much do lessons go for?


I believe he charges $50 an hour, check out gosucoaching.com for more info.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
January 17 2011 02:50 GMT
#197
Is there any chance anyone could upload this VOD to any other filesharing service like mediafire? easyshare wont let me download for some reason. Thanks again for sharing this khaladas!
hope someone reuploads this, i really need help pvz
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 11:20:56
January 17 2011 11:18 GMT
#198
Thanks very much to the OP for posting; I've been helped alot by watching this coaching session. I've gone from feeling helpless at executing anything but void ray all-ins at PvZ to settling into what I feel is a much more stable 3 warpgate opening. Incontrol's build seems very solid. However, I've felt kind of naked at points with regard to roaming around in "shark mode" while executing this strategy.

If any of you saw the Metalopolis or LT games tonight between NesTea and choyafou in the GSL RO8, NesTea busted out some speedlord doom drops in the main with hydralisks that viciously punished Choya for not having enough units (stargate opening). I realize that good scouting is key, but this seems like it would absolutely cripple a Protoss who does have units but whose army is outside the base engaging in "shark mode," or else initiate a base trade, which is pretty unstable. Choya tried to use FFs to block his ramp, but of course, force fields have little effect on a doom drop, so those sentries suddenly become little more than moderate damage-dealing snowglobes.

Have any of you had this type of Zerg play attempted against you while trying this style or have and/or have a replay of it?
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
January 18 2011 02:16 GMT
#199
bump!
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 04:54:12
January 18 2011 04:48 GMT
#200
Ya iamke ive been losing to it too, they just stop making drones at some point and just all in off 2 base. Their economy is a one base economy but they have a ton of larva. Basically, the advice my friend gave who is quite good... is that you need to constantly scout to see if theyre cutting workers and pumping units. observer is obviously one way but that always an option, and hallucinated phoenix could probably do good as well im guessing. I suck vs zerg though thats just the advice he gave me against this specific build. I feel zerg has a distinct advantage in this matchup on most maps. Its annoying becuase in your replay for instance he goes all in basically just to barely kill that nexus... then while you rebuild it, he takes his 3rd and one larva cycle puts him on the exact same amount of workers as you. Really frustrating to watch, my heart goes out to you and anyone else who gets "all-in'd" by a race that can recover over a 25 second period
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