Protoss Carrier and SC2 - Page 3

On September 12 2010 12:22 taketobreak wrote:Carriers do not do 160 DPS. carriers with the upgrade launch all their interceptors and can start the battle doing 160 DPS (fully upgraded) however after that first second carriers damage is much lower

On September 12 2010 12:42 Cambam wrote:
Scrap station game
Kulas ravine game

Update: I've uploaded two replays of me and my diamond practice partner. He gets carriers both games. And of course, disclaimer, they were practice games and not perfect play, but they still illustrate the point that carriers can be powerful.

Scrap station game:

• I couldn't have asked for more luck. I was already going corruptor/mutalisk when I first scouted the carriers.
  
• I feel that if I had had more corruptors, I wouldn't have had enough of an army to deal with his ground forces
  

Kulas ravine game:

• Like I said earlier, I scouted the carriers, but was in the process of fast expanding and therefore was in no position to attack, especially with his wall off in place.
  
• Killing off the interceptors seemed to be effective, but it didn't stop him from killing tons of drones while I was doing it.
  
• If the protoss pushes with both the ground army and the carriers at the same time, the interceptors do not have priority; the zealots and stalkers do. Therefore, the hydras will waste their dps on the meat shields and die to the super high dps interceptors.
  
• Again, I feel like if I had more corruptors, my ground army would be too small to deal with his ground army.
  

Both games:

• He gets +3 air attack ASAP, which as people have pointed out, is a super dps boost to carriers
  
• Unlike bronze players, he doesn't get only carriers, which would easily be countered by mass corruptors, he gets only a few carriers and a big ground army.
  

So again, I don't see why people think carriers are underpowered. My protoss friend seems to have no problem affording them on two bases, he's safe from counter attack if I'm expanding as well, and getting too little or too many corruptors loses you the game. I think a big ground army like he gets in both games, plus the +3 air attack upgrade, makes carriers quite strong, if not overpowered. If I'm wrong, tell me how to beat it!

On August 24 2010 12:40 micronesia wrote:

Um are you sure that they eat through vikings like they are nothing? If the terran has had ample time and money to match the protoss with building air, then I think vikings with their dedicated air to air attacks with 9 range and focus firing with kiting style micro will win...

On August 24 2010 12:10 Hakker wrote:
TBH Carriers are probably the new scouts, they're slow, cost a huge amount for their usefulness, and their damage is horrendously low compared to other units at their tech level.

What carriers need is to have their interceptors have 1 shot so their attack doesn't double dip in armor, and bring back some of the micro mechanics that gave them a competitive place in BW.

Making as many gimmicky builds as you can come up with wont change the fact that the units design in SC2 is dated and unusable. You're basically relying on the other player not having scouted AT ALL or having a viking out, with 99% of terran will build anyways just because they can (they're terran).

On August 24 2010 12:21 Drfluffy wrote:
I just did a test build, using zerg, with ZERO ground unit built (fastest scenario), it takes about 7:25 to have 4 corruptor.

In actuality though, zerg can hardly ever scout me due to their natural short coming when it comes to scouting. but yes, this build is not viable when a zerg scouts.